Small Business Speaks Up

Small Business Speaks Up

“Suppose the presidential election were held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Mitt Romney were the Republican Party’s candidate, who would you vote for Barack Obama, the Democrat or Mitt Romney, the Republican?”  Gallup asked this question last week to 2,200 registered voters and 46% of the respondents chose Romney to 45% that chose Obama.  It’s an ominous warning to Obama since the results include the leanings of those who are currently undecided.

This wasn’t the only bad news Obama received last week.  America saw 115,000 net jobs in April, but 350,000 Americans gave up looking for work. That means 235,000 more Americans now have no job and no unemployment benefits.  Since these folks are no longer calculated in the unemployment figures, it pushes the unemployment rate down a fraction of a point to 8.1%.

How did Obama spin this bad news?  He told a crowd of teenagers at Washington-Lee High School in Arlington, Va. “The unemployment rate ticked down again.  So after the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, our businesses have now created more than 4.2 million new jobs over the last 26 months—more than 1 million jobs in the last six months alone. So that’s the good news.”

Really?  Do you think we’re that stupid, Mr. President?


Look, it’s really simple.  Reduce the size and scope of government, end onerous regulations, cut taxes and cut spending even more.  Let the free market work. If the federal and state governments do this, the engine of American ingenuity will be unleashed.  Corporations and small businesses will hire more people and for many others, they will go from unemployed to self-employed. It’s a fact and history backs the data.

President Kennedy lowered tax rates across the board and both employment and revenues went up.  When President Reagan cut taxes, unemployment dropped from 10% to 6% and revenues went up.  In 1984, Ireland went to a flat rate of 15% versus 35% and they grew their economy four times faster and their GDP remained strong for the next 22 years.


But the economic policies of Democrats at all levels, epitomized by Barack Obama, do not lend themselves to this type of result.  In fact, they are pro-government, pro-union, pro-regulations, pro-higher taxes and markedly anti-business.  Sure, Obama will spin it and suggest that during his presidency the size of government at all levels has reduced by 2%, but that doesn’t say much when the pace of the entire economy has slowed and there one million more Americans unemployed during that same period. The fact is that government jobs have outpaced the private sector.

If Obama’s “forward” charge actually adopted some small government policies that didn’t rely on takeovers, handouts, and bailouts – and if they actually reduced burdensome regulations, cut taxes and spending even more – then this economy would instantly begin to boom.

To illustrate this point, I’m sharing some data that I recently came in contact with that shines a new light on the United States’ business regulatory climate and the nation’s economic health.  This is exclusive information since it is not due to be released until tomorrow.  It is a survey of over 6,000 small business owners that rank the government’s friendliness toward business. This is important because Small businesses accounted for 65% of net new jobs created between 1993 and 2009 and employ nearly half of all private sector employees.  It was conducted over a two-month period by Thumbtack.com in partnership with the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation.

Thumbtack.com is an internet marketplace that allows local service providers and consumers to find each other and negotiate jobs online and the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation is a non-profit foundation that states its vision is to foster “a society of economically independent individuals who are engaged citizens, contributing to the improvement of their communities.”

The information in their survey goes beyond unemployment levels and tax rates, it shows how small business, the engine that drives the economy, truly feels about government and the economy through nuances that are difficult or impossible to measure through other data sources.

Notable information reveals that while taxes are burdensome to the overall health of a business, the licensing regime is a greater headache by a factor of nearly two.  Likewise, being subject to special regulatory requirements had a negative effect on overall small business and complying with these arduous regulations was by far the most important factor.

The data backs up my assertions.  Republican states that tend to ease taxes and regulations tend to be considered more “business friendly.”  In the Thumbtack.com survey, it ranked Idaho and Texas as the most business-friendly states, with Oklahoma City and Dallas-Ft. Worth taking top honors among cities across the nation.  Since 1980, Idaho, Oklahoma and Texas have all solidly voted for Republicans in each Presidential race.   These three states have a combined unemployment rate of 6.8%.

By contrast, Vermont and Rhode Island found themselves on the opposite end of the spectrum with higher taxes and greater regulations and are joined in the bottom-five by New York and California.  Since 1992, Vermont, Rhode Island, New York and California have all solidly voted for Democrats in each Presidential race.   These four states have a combined unemployment rate of 8.9%.


Perhaps if Obama spent less time trying to spin the fact that more Americans are unemployed to impressionable high school students, and more time actually working with Republicans in the House like Representative Paul Ryan to reduce spending, taxes and regulations… then perhaps we could get this 8.1% unemployment number down to around 6.0% and he could run for re-election on an actual real record.

In the meantime, expect Romney, who said today that Obama is the worst President for small business since Carter, to continue to be competitive as we get closer to election day.  America is sick and tired of the failed promises, the fiscal irresponsibility, the spin and the demagoguery of Obama and the Democrats at all levels of government… we don’t want to move forward with the same old tired big government policies, we want real hope and change, we want a smaller more responsible government.

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  1. Brilliant. Just brilliant. Yes, Idaho is apparently friendlier to small businesses than California, so therefore, that’s why Idaho has a lower unemployment rate than California. Because in all other respects, the two states are exactly the same, so it simply MUST be the tax rate and license regulations on small businesses. What else could it POSSIBLY be?

    Oh wait, no, I forgot, they’re two completely different states, and there’s probably all sorts of reasons. Off the top of my head, California has thousands of people attempting to break into the movie/TV industry who feel like they have to stay in the Los Angeles area if they want to break in, whether they’re employed or not. And Idaho has nothing like that. Just off the top of my head.

    But yeah, keep up the fine work. California = small business license regulations = unemployment = Democrats suck. Such objective analysis! So scientific! So logical!

    So Tim!

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    1. Turdsky, I suppose you would know about trying to break into the industry… since that’s been your goal since you moved out here and have totally and completely FAILED in accomplishing. Well, you have picked up some gigs striking on behalf of the WGA (which, consequently, put thousands of people out of work). You should try moving to Georgia or Canada where the onerous regulations and licensing in film and television is not as bad as here in California… you could probably get some work out there. Which, ironically, kinda proves my point.

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  2. >>Turdsky, I suppose you would know about trying to break into the industry… since that’s been your goal since you moved out here and have totally and completely FAILED in accomplishing.

    Responsive! Relevant! And obviously completely true, since you know all about my career! Bravo!

    >>Well, you have picked up some gigs striking on behalf of the WGA

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. Which makes sense because neither do you. Basically you just slimed me recklessly with an out-and-out lie.

    >>(which, consequently, put thousands of people out of work).

    These tangents you go on are just so hilariously bonkers. I make a point about how misleadingly you’ve interpreted these statistics, and that somehow leads you to…my union when on strike a few years ago. Not only as if it’s even remotely relevant, but as if I’m to blame for its consequences. You are a sad, warped man. And a coward.

    >>Which, ironically, kinda proves my point.

    Hmm, no, it actually kinda proves that you don’t have a response beyond mindless ad homs.

    But keep up the fine eagle-eyed brand of journalism you’ve so mastered!

    You’re really bad at this!

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    Spaceghost,

    You’re talking out of your ass. I know how you being in the “movie biz” means that you’re an expert on everything, but I am a third generation businessman. To begin with, California’s climb to the top was during the post war electronics and aerospace boom. Veterans were discharged in San Diego and never went back to their farms in Idaho.
    The aerospace industry was entrenched in the Golden state. They were all here Boeing, Northrop, Grumman, Hughes, TRW, Rockwell, Collins etc. We had “SCUNC works” just outside of Palmdale, the U.S. Air Force broke away from the Army Air Corp and all the developmental aircraft were being designed and built by the aerospace factories. The sound barrier was broken right here in California.
    Boeing’s worldwide supply of airplanes were built right there is El Segundo. Hughes Helicopter was building first and second generation helicopters for the US government and private industry. The U2, SR-71, A-4, A-6, F-4, and F-106 were all built here! The SFB Rockets for the moon landing were built in the hills of Chatsworth, the Engines were built in Canoga Park.
    All the supporting industries were here too; radios, radars, sub-assemblers, wire and cable suppliers. The antique computers were built here, still using vacuum tubes. Televisions companies like Magnavox and other consumer electronics were all based here in California.
    During this time the ports of Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco were exporting in the billions of dollars all over the world.
    In 1958, the California State Legislature fell solidly in the hands of the Democratic Party, and the current governor, Pat Brown, started using all the surplus dollars in California to fund welfare initiatives and measures to protect the unions. In the 8 years that Pat Brown was governor all of California’s money was gone and then some. The unions were constantly demanding higher wages, better benefits, and shorter hours, and our government promoted all of it. When Governor Reagan came into office in 1962, he inherited the largest state debt in the entire country; not until Governor Grey Davis left office in 2003 had California’s debt been that high.
    Governor Reagan asked for special permission from the Federal government to experiment with work programs to get people off the public dole, and he was able to get California back into fiscal order. Then “Moonbeam” Jerry Brown got into office and he went right to work dismantling Reagan’s positive programs, with the result that the first industry to leave was aerospace.
    Grumman couldn’t withstand the union demands and folded, gobbled up by Northrop, TRW operations moved to Colorado, Boeing to Seattle. Hughes which stayed non-union and very profitable until Howard Hughes’ death sold off most of its California holdings and moved to Nevada. Rockwell closed down its Canoga Park plants, and Rocketdyne in Chatsworth was closed and sold. Collins got purchased by Rockwell which moved to Arizona.
    Meanwhile all the smaller suppliers when belly-up, moved out of state to follow the big businesses or changed their approach, moving their manufacturing portion first to Mexico, then to China. The consumer electronics companies such as Apple, and Hewlett- Packard took production off shore to China. Then all the ancillary business left too, insurance, R&D, medical electronics, even agriculture has slumped.
    Now all those California ports which exported in the billions are importing in the billions from China.
    The sub-tier suppliers are now taking raw material from other states like Idaho and shipping them to China to build a sub-tier finished good, importing it back in and selling it out of state or out of country, and all California gets now in revenue is the import/export tariffs, and income tax on pencil pushers.
    The reason why is because California taxes too much, regulates burdensomely, and is fiscally irresponsible.
    Of, course you’ll know so much more than me because you’re in “show biz” and I’m just a guy who’s grandfather, father, two older brothers, and myself have been in the business for a total of 55 years.
    This is why Idaho, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are doing so well. Because the great-grandchildren of the men who stayed after world war 2 are leaving, and they are leaving because California is no longer the “Golden State”.

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    1. >>Spaceghost,
      You’re talking out of your ass

      Okay, I’m gonna stop you right there, because everything you said after that was completely irrelevant and non-responsive to my point, which can be boiled down to this:

      Idaho and California? (Or Idaho and New York? Or Oklahoma and Vermont? Take your pick. Doesn’t matter.

      TWO VERY DIFFERENT STATES.

      Am I still talking out of my ass? You disagree with that? Because that’s really all it boils down to.

      So see, you can’t just say that one has higher licensing fees and taxes on small businesses than the other, and so that’s why that one has lower unemployment than the other. There’s a whole shitload of other factors you’d have to look at.

      The entertainment industry thing I mentioned? ONE EXAMPLE. Am I wrong about that? Are there NOT thousands of people in LA who are trying to break in to an extremely competitive industry? And is there an equivalent one in Idaho? What would that be, exactly?

      So the rest of your post is pure yammer. But gee, I’m impressed you got Tim’s approval. It’s real easy to do, you just have to agree with him and/or insult me, regardless of how much sense your argument makes. Over on Donelson’s thread, Tom’s advocacy of deliberate hypocrisy got a “Good column, Tom!” from ol’ Tim.

      Ain’t he swell?

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        Ghost,
        Don’t equivocate. You’re trying to simplify your argument after the fact so as to avoid the real intent of your statement. Secondly, I’m sure that my “yammer” simply went over your head, or more to the point shot holes in your argument because they are facts that you never considered because your intellect is to shallow to consider a bigger picture than your narrow minded view of the world.
        Yes, I can definitively state that “licensing fees” as you put it do dramatically affect production. This is the case in the aggregate and the micro economic reality. Just because you don’t understand economics or political theory for that matter doesn’t mean you can dismiss reality. You can ignore it, but it’s still there.
        I’m not searching for Tim’s approval, for one thing I’m comfortable in my own skin, and Tim and I go way back. However, that makes me wonder, whose approval are you searching for?

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      2. The avator is right on target and what he said is revelant since he is showing how other states have succeeded where California has failed. Which was Tim’s point, Joel Kotkin point whose article was featured on our pages and my own point in California Dreaming.

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        1. >>The avator is right on target and what he said is revelant since he is showing how other states have succeeded where California has failed.

          How does it rebut the point that California and Idaho (or Oklahoma, or name it) are such completely different states that you can’t draw a direct correlation between business license regulations and unemployment without looking at other factors?

          What part of that confuses you? You need an analogy for the shitty logic Tim is using? Okay…

          Gas prices are higher than they were last year, and fewer people are watching “House” this year than last year. So clearly, when prices go up, “House” gets less popular.

          See the problem there?

          (Cue one of you geniuses to launch into some endless essay about why gas prices are up…)

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          1. Here ya go Turdsky… just for you. Speaking of gas prices:

            – Idaho $3.75
            – Oklahoma $3.44
            – Texas $3.61
            AVERAGE $3.60

            – California $4.19
            – New York $4.01
            – Vermont $3.92
            – Rhode Island $3.88
            AVERAGE $4.00

            There is a $0.40 difference in gas prices in the “Republican” states versus the “Democrat” states. Why? In large part, the answer is greater regulations and higher taxes. Here is how each state taxes their gasoline per gallon:

            – Idaho $0.25
            – Oklahoma $0.17
            – Texas $0.20
            AVERAGE $0.21

            – California $0.51
            – New York $0.51
            – Vermont $0.23
            – Rhode Island $0.33
            AVERAGE $0.40

            Who pays these prices? It’s not just the people who drive cars. It’s everyone who buys everything in the state… from goods like groceries to services like lawn care. The fact is when gas prices are higher (either because the cost of oil or the taxes imposed at the pump — or both), the more a state struggles. This is backed up by the Consumer Price Index which consistently shows the correlation of rising gas prices to consumer goods and services. The bottom line is that the cost to do business in the “Democrat” states is much higher, because prices are higher and consumers have less money in their pocket (whether they are in that state to be an actor or whether they are in that state to be a potato farmer).

            If Democrats would end their onerous and burdensome policies that hurt business as well as average everyday Americans by extension, this country might begin to turn around.

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            Ghost,
            you’re still talking out of your ass. You’re trying to weasle out of your original comment’s intent in order to avoid the harsh reality that you narrow minded view is devoid of logic.
            I’ve travelled extensively. I’ve circumnavigated the globe. I’ve seen the bussiness realities of England, France, Germany, Italy, China, Singapore, Hong Kong (yes I know its part of China), and Taiwan. I have been to all but 9 states. I was most recently in Oklahoma. I’ve seen how they do things. I’ve worked directly with selling product to both the federal government and several state governments including California. California is the hardest to work with! The United States Federal Government is easier to deal with in selling it a product than the state of California. Here’s a little example, if you are doing business as a DBA you are required in every state to register the company and the DBA in the county that the DBA business is located in. California adds a little extra regulation that the business MUST ALSO put an ad in the major papers of the state for one month stating that the business is doing business as a DBA. No other state requires that, and they do just fine not having to do it. This is one example of a little regulation. Add all those idiotic regulations up and you have massive regulatory oppression which stifles businesses.
            You are so narrow minded, that you can only think about your own industry (which appears you are not very good at), Hollywood! Yes, because California has Hollywood they are vastly different than Idaho.
            Let’s see, every state has a republican form of government, every state has agriculture, every state has a business community, every state but one has a bi-cameral legistlature, every state has an executive branch, every state has some form of taxation, most have multiple ones. New York is famous for Wall Street. Hmm… San Fransisco has the Pacific stock exchange. Oklahoma has cattle, so does california, Texas has oil so does California, Idaho has coal, so does California, Wisconnsin has Cheese, so does California, Tennessee has cars, so does california (it used to be that GM built in california, now they only do test research) but still the auto industry is here.
            The states are more similar than dissimilar. You just don’t want to believe that because it doesn’t fit with your narrative.

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    You know, Ghost. You seem to use that word a lot… Coward… to describe Tim. I’m curious, what exactly is he being a coward about? I’m pretty sure you would not say that to his face. In fact I think that the anonymity that the internet provides is where you draw your courage. That being the case, it seems to me that you’re the coward.

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      1. >>That’s sooo true

        I think it’s lovely that you found some playmates to help you play with your poop. There’s just so much of it, you can’t possibly play with it all yourself.

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    1. >>You know, Ghost. You seem to use that word a lot… Coward… to describe Tim. I’m curious, what exactly is he being a coward about?

      He’s a coward because he’s ashamed of his own views.

      I recently offered him, on a Facebook thread of a mutual friend of ours, a very sweet deal: I would completely stop responding to him and rebutting him until after the election….Seriously, COMPLETELY LEAVE HIM ALONE…

      …and all he had to do was say that he believed Obama’s birth certificate was authentic and genuine.

      Seriously, that’s all he had to say.

      Not even that he’s POSITIVE that it is, just that he BELIEVES it is, as pretty much every half-sane person in America does at this point.

      We all waited for him to respond. We gave him loads of time, reminders on other threads…

      And nothing. Not a word. And no explanation of WHY he never said a word.

      Why? What was the percentage in that? His two reasonable choices were

      a) Say “Okay, I believe the birth certificate is authentic and genuine.” And then POOF, I’m gone for the next six months. Or…

      b) Say “Sorry, I can’t say that.” And then we have our answer. He does NOT believe the birth certificate is authentic and genuine. And we have our answer about THAT.

      But to not answer at all? What is one to think? The only reasonable conclusions:

      He doesn’t believe the birth certificate is authentic and genuine…but nor does he want to go on record as SAYING that he doesn’t believe the birth certificate is authentic and genuine. (Because that’s a nutty thing to admit.)

      Or he DOES believe it to be authentic and genuine, but he doesn’t want to go on record as SAYING that he believes it to be authentic and genuine, because that would mean admitting that all those months and all those columns of trying to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace were in vain. In short, it would be admitting that he was WRONG, and the Obama supporters were RIGHT, and that will simply never do.

      Oh, he eventually TRIED to weasel his way around it by saying things sort of LIKE admitting that the birth certificate is accurate (“I’m fine with the birth certificate”, e.g.), but no, he never actually said the words “I believe the birth certificate is accurate and genuine.”

      So whichever one it is, the point is, he’s ashamed of his own views.

      That makes him a coward.

      And yes, I’d say it to his face.

      Would he insult my career and my home and my union and my cats to MY face? Would he call me “Turdsky” to my face? Who knows? Don’t care. I don’t bring in external stuff on him like he does on me. Know why? Because I don’t NEED to. I stick to HIS CRAPPY ARGUMENTS. Nothing else about him matters in this forum except what he says here. I could give a shit about the rest. And guess what, to duck the arguments at hand in favor of all these personal insults?

      Also cowardly.

      There’s your answer. (Cue Tim to comment on exactly none of that other than what its word count is.)

      Oh, and by the way, on another thread, Tim endorses Donelson’s game plan of saying that abortion is racist, even though he doesn’t believe it. Yes, Tim can’t admit his views on the birth certificate, but he IS willing to go on record in favor of deliberate hypocrisy.

      That’s Tim for ya.

      Ain’t he swell?

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        Well who cares? You must be very lonely because no one wants to put up with a self righteous pseudo-intellectual hypocrite. And angry to boot. You chastise Tim for name calling, but the very first post I read that you wrote was filled with ad homonyms directed at him.
        You demand that he admit something that he clearly has clarified for you and that’s not good enough. He doesn’t owe you shit. Who are you? A frustrated, angry, little man who obviously lives in fear all the time. You were probably bullied as a kid and are so filled with rage that nobody takes you seriously because your inflated ego makes you think that you’re the smartest guy in the room.
        Whether or not obama birth certificate is real is irrelevant, he’s still the president. Good God, your acting like a child.
        So I’ll tell you what, I’ll challenge you to meet with Tim anywhere of your choosing. I’ll make sure he’s there and you can call him a coward to his face. Put your ego where your Internet courage is. Or am I right, you’re the coward?

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        1. >>Well who cares?

          Dude… YOU ASKED.

          >>You demand that he admit something that he clearly has clarified for you and that’s not good enough.

          He HASN’T clarified it, is the point. Show me where he said that the birth certificate is authentic and genuine. Did I miss it? If it’s there, have at it. This I gotta see.

          >>He doesn’t owe you shit.

          No one’s saying he “owes” me anything. I offered him a sweet deal, and he declined it. His silence speaks worlds. End of story.

          >>Whether or not obama birth certificate is real is irrelevant,

          Hey, tell Tim! He wrote at least two lengthy columns on the subject.

          >>Good God, your acting like a child.

          I am? I’m not the one who wrote birther-friendly columns about the birth certificate and reminds everyone at every chance I get how “photoshopped” it is. And I’m not the one who, for some bizarre reason, can’t bring myself to say that the birth certificate is the real McCoy. And I’m not the one substituting juvenile name-calling for actual arguments.

          That would be Tim.

          Honestly, this place is so depressing. I come here to ridicule Tim’s stupidity, and all I learn is how much MORE of it there is out there.

          Tim cracks me up, of course, but the rest of you…So very, very sad.

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            Ghost,

            like I said who cares? why do you care? is not Barack Obama the president regardless? Why is it soooo very important that you. so yes you’re actinbg like a child. it is irrelevent. its a non-issue.

      2. Turdsky, you are such a moron. I’ve answered your Obama birth certificate nonsense over and over, but your reading comprehension is soooo poor, it doesn’t sink in. In the meantime, I enjoy watching you freak out over it.

        I also love the fact that you think you know me well enough to know what my position is on abortion. You have no clue… because, well, because you are clueless.

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    One more thing ghost,

    Like all the other California industries that once were, Hollywood has jettisoned as well. Ever here of Hollywood,Florida. That’s where the bulk of Disney and Nic. Children shows are being filmed. Of course there is the Mecca of Broadway, and Canada has been very active in filming since 21 Jump Street in the 1980’s. Lastly there is Seattle, where the theatre community is growing.
    Did you know that for the past six legislative sessions, Hollywood has been hounding for tax breaks, arguing that filming in California is too expensive because of the tax rates and union agreements?

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  6. Space ghost as usual you fail to understand my thoughts in my original article that you refer to. what I stated is that being pro choice is not being racist. I concluded that QUOTING OR REFERENICNG Obama own words is no more racist than being pro-choice despite the fact that minorities babies are aborted at higher article.

    I added in my response that I have written many times on policies that would aid minorities and noted that your only proposal to deal with poverity within the minority community in our exchanges was to encourage abortion within minority communities and that you never once went beyond that.

    Mr. Ross made it clear that he believes that Obama was born here and the only gutless one is the person who can’t put his name to face accusations, race baiting,and implying that one of the writer is a racist. (Having been in politics for nearly four decades, I know that game that is being played when words like race-baiting is used. It is designed to make me to look racist. If you don’t understand that, you need to quit writing and if you do, then your character speaks for itself. You don’t like it when it is reversed on you.My point is simple, who is more a racist, the man who reference Obama words or the person who supports a policy that will kill higher percentage of minorities. that is a easy point to understand. Play race card, it can be used against you. As I noticed you resented when it was thrown back in your face. ) So it is easy to call some one a f***ing idiot when you don’t put your name to the response or imply false of accusation of racism. Now that is gutless. Put your name on these responses, I challenge you, I dare you. Let the world know who is really behind these rants.

    It should be noted that you fail to even deal with Mr. Ross argument about the failure of leftist policy in California. Let face it, California is an economic basketcase and Texas has replaced California as the Golden State.

    A another responder on a previous exchanges noted that you never actually deal with the issue often written. So don’t throw out words like hypocracy when you have leveled accusations after accusations against many of the writers on this blog. Maybe you might want to review your tone and if you want civility, then act civil. And actually read the articles you comment on. That would be a good start.

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  7. >>what I stated is that being pro choice is not being racist

    YES, exactly. You’re advocating saying something that you don’t actually believe as a response to something that you disagree with. “They’re saying we’re race-baiting when we say X, so let’s say that Y is racist, even though we don’t believe it.”

    You are ADVOCATING HYPOCRISY, Tom. You are encouraging taking a DISHONEST STANCE as means of rebuttal. You are advocating, instead of going to the effort to PROVE that the dogmeat-eating thing isn’t race, it’s easier to just respond by calling some leftist issue racist. Done and done!

    That you don’t see how messed up that is is really quite sad, but I’m done trying to convince you of that, so knock yourself out. And as I say, I look forward to you trying to make the case (even though you don’t actually believe it) that GIVING MINORITIES A FREEDOM to do something is more racist than TAKING IT AWAY.

    You go!

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  8. >>.My point is simple, who is more a racist, the man who reference Obama words or the person who supports a policy that will kill higher percentage of minorities.

    Ya know, you keep SAYING you don’t think abortion is racist, but then you say silly crap like this, and what is one to think?

    Tom, what you seem to be repeatedly, conveniently overlooking is that abortion doesn’t “kill” anything that the mother themselves doesn’t WANT to “kill.” Abortion gives them the freedom to CHOOSE what they want to do with their unborn baby. That’s all. It GIVES THEM A FREEDOM to make a CHOICE, and banning it would be TAKING THAT FREEDOM AWAY.

    A freakin’ EIGHT-YEAR-OLD could understand that, Tom.

    That’s what so goddamn hilarious about THIS as your choice of hypocrisy, that you would be PRETENDING to support a point of view that is just about as stupid as it gets. I mean, it’s stupid enough to ACTUALLY believe it, Tom, but to PRETEND that you’re that stupid?

    What’s the percentage in that?

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    1. Tom… proof of the racism of the left is in the long racist history of the Democrat Party… and if you want something a little closer to home, we had a Democrat on this site that would argue with the same tenacity that Artless Turdsky does now. One day he decided to take on the persona of a Republican and started writing subtle racist comments and then finally he got pretty graphic. This didn’t sound like any Republican I know, so I investigated. I was able to determine exactly who it was based on a matching IP address from his real email address… it was the tenacious Democrat! He was caught red handed and I let him have it in a public forum that later was removed as part of a compromise that included the lifetime ban of the offender. The fact remains, the only person to ever utter the word “nigger” on this site with malice intent, was a Democrat trying to pretend to be a Republican. So, who is racist? Artless Turdsky is just another leftist trying to promote this same old tired untrue narrative in order to gain some political edge. It’s sad… and it’s disgusting.

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  9. >>Here ya go Turdsky… just for you. Speaking of gas prices:

    Thank you. Another fantastically pointless tangent branching off from an example.

    Tim, I could give a shit about the difference in gas prices. Was not my point. SURELY you’re at least almost intelligent enough to understand that, yes? That’s why I said “Cue one of you geniuses to school me on gas prices.” Because I was sure at least one of you would be too dumb to comprehend the point being made and think it was about gas prices. BUT IT WASN’T.

    It’s really not that complicated, Tim. Really it isn’t. All I’m saying is that you looked at a couple factors and determined that THAT is why there’s a difference in unemployment rates, which just plain doesn’t work because we’re talking about VERY DIFFERENT STATES here, Tim. You have yet to even acknowledge something as obvious as THAT, is what’s so sad.

    Again: Are there NOT thousands of people in California trying to break into an extremely competitive industry? Is there a comparable one in Idaho or Oklahoma? If so, what is it? If not, then that ends this conversation, because right there is at least one factor screwing up your theory.

    In fact, I’ll go it one further and say that it’s not just the competitiveness of the entertainment industry, it’s the NATURE of it. Actors and production people are basically temps. Many of them work a project…and then they go on unemployment. Because they CAN. Then when that starts to run out, they get another gig…then go BACK on unemployment. Do enough of them do that to significantly affect the unemployment rate? I don’t know…and I’m guessing neither do YOU, which is why neither of us are in a position to state definitively that this one thing is why the CA rate is higher than the ID rate.

    There’s A LOT OF FACTORS, Tim. Not saying anything controversial here, or even anything “leftist.” It’s just common sense. You can’t just say X is high, and unemployment is high, so therefore X is what CAUSED unemployment to be high. Durr!

    And I mean, you already have zero cred, but seriously, if you disagree with THAT, then we’re talking about NEGATIVE cred. Is that the goal? Cause if so…

    Go, you?

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    1. Of course you don’t give a shit about gas prices, because you lack any useful knowledge of economics… and is exactly why you think the difference in business-friendly-better-employment Idaho and business-unfriendly-worse-employment California is the entertainment industry. Thank you for once again pointing out what a moron you are. It’s staggering.

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  10. >>I’ve answered your Obama birth certificate nonsense over and over,

    No, you fucking haven’t, and again I’ll ask:

    If you really have, then why aren’t you telling me that I should hold up my end of the deal? Again: COMMON SENSE, Tim. If you answered it, then by rights, you should be telling me that I’m supposed to leave you alone. BUT YOU’RE NOT. Why not?

    >>In the meantime, I enjoy watching you freak out over it

    Uh, right. Okay. So you’re saying you ENJOY a) Looking like a coward, b) Looking like a birther, and c) Having me go right on rebutting you and humiliating you.

    You’re saying you prefer THAT to just saying what you were challenged to say and having me go away for six months.

    And we’re all just supposed to believe it. Cause it makes so much sense. Got it.

    And who’s “freaking out”, anyway? I proved you to be a coward and a birther with this thing; it delights me to no end, quite frankly. That you take cowardice and birtherism as points of pride and joy is rather puzzling, but I stopped trying to figure out long ago.

    >>I also love the fact that you think you know me well enough

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Irony, Tim. Tim, irony.

    Okay, sorry, go on?

    >>to know what my position is on abortion. You have no clue…

    Tim, as stupid as I think you are, I find it hard to believe that you’re SO stone cold stupid that you actually think abortion is racism.

    But feel free to prove me wrong. I’ll be right here.

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    1. Asked and answered, loser. I am not playing your stupid repeat-after-me game. I am not an Obama zombie like you. I don’t go forward off the cliff when told to do so. Get a life.

      Again, you have no clue what my view on abortion is… none whatsoever. So, it is hilarious to see you speculate and try to work some idiotic reverse psychology that even a child could see through to elicit a reaction to give you some hint. Seriously, you are a moron. And you are a racist too… and not to mention a kid-hater.

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  11. >>The fact remains, the only person to ever utter the word “nigger” on this site with malice intent, was a Democrat trying to pretend to be a Republican. So, who is racist?

    So you had one Democrat try to pull something sneaky, and that proves…Something? Hm. Okay. Does it prove that abortion is racism? If it does, I’d love to see how. If it doesn’t, then I’ll repeat that Tom is advocating deliberate hypocrisy in taking that position, and you are cheering him along. And you just told a long, pointless story for no reason. What a waste of words!

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      1. <<Yeah… you got it. Democrats are racist. The end.

        Is this another one of those dealios where you really, really WANT to say that abortion is racism, but you CAN'T, because it's such an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say that you're naturally unwilling to actually type the words in internet permanent ink, so you just kind of skate around it and hope no one notices?

        So once again, you're either too afraid to admit that you cheered on someone you disagreed with, or that you hold a demonstrably idiotic position?

        So….once again, you're being a coward?

        Um, okay. Skate away, CBT!

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  12. >>Of course you don’t give a shit about gas prices, because you lack any useful knowledge of economics…

    No, it’s because, you fucking loon, IT WAS AN EXAMPLE, IT WAS NOT MY POINT, AND THIS BULLSHIT TANGENT OF YOURS IS TRANSPARENT. YAWN.

    >>and is exactly why you think the difference in business-friendly-better-employment Idaho and business-unfriendly-worse-employment California is the entertainment industry.

    I never said it was THE difference, I said it’s a factor that makes the states more difficult to compare than you think it is. The only one who thinks he’s pointing out THE REASON why the unemployment rates are different is YOU. Because you’re a genuine abject idiot.

    >>Thank you for once again pointing out what a moron you are. It’s staggering.

    Irony, Tim. Tim, ir–

    Oh, sorry, you’ve met, haven’t you.

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    1. The things you argue about are so trivial, it’s hilarious. It almost rivals your total and utter complete lack of reading comprehension. And you are a typical failed writer… quick to use say “irony.” It’s the hallmark of a bad writer. Congrats… well, actually, we already knew this about you. Loser!

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      1. >>The things you argue about are so trivial, it’s hilarious.

        Your columns? Umm…Okay. That I’ll grant.

        >>It almost rivals your total and utter complete lack of reading comprehension.

        I’m not the one who looked at exactly two statistics from completely different states and drew a conclusion from them. That’s what YOU did. That you can’t comprehend how much more complicated it is than that is sad but utterly unsurprising at this point. (Hey, you know? California also has higher temperatures than Idaho in the summer. Hm, higher unemployment rate, AND temperatures? Must be a connection! There’s your next column. Your welcome.)

        >>And you are a typical failed writer… quick to use say “irony.”

        At ironic things? Yes, guilty. Like YOU telling ME how little I know about YOU? The guy who can’t respond to ME without personal comment about an apartment he’s never seen, cats he’s never met, and a career he knows nothing about? If that’s not irony, there’s no such thing.

        >>It’s the hallmark of a bad writer. Congrats… well, actually, we already knew this about you. Loser!

        You’re incredibly bad at this. You duck the actual subject at hand in favor of ad homs, pretend you answered questions you didn’t, and transparently change the subject. You’re aware that the internet is written in permanent ink, right? Because when all is said and done, I’m the guy who called you out for your quite obvious birtherism and cowardly attempts to deflect it, and you’re gonna be the one who responded by screaming “Turdsky” over and over.

        Bravo?

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  13. >>Asked and answered, loser. I am not playing your stupid repeat-after-me game.

    Okay, so you’d rather have me continue bothering you for the next six months than answer a simple question with your actual opinion. You’d rather lie and PRETEND you answered it, even though no one’s buying it, so you’d rather come off as a birther, coward AND liar. Got it.

    >>Again, you have no clue what my view on abortion is… none whatsoever.

    And again I say: You either believe abortion is racism or you don’t. If you do, you’re a fucking idiot. If you don’t, but you agree with Tom that the right should SAY they do, then you’re advocating deliberate hypocrisy. Welcome to lose-loseville! Congratulations!

    >>So, it is hilarious to see you speculate and try to work some idiotic reverse psychology that even a child could see through to elicit a reaction to give you some hint.

    I’m not trying to do that, I don’t know what you’re talking about. One of two things are true, and they both suck for you. End of story.

    >>Seriously, you are a moron. And you are a racist too… and not to mention a kid-hater.

    Seriously, this “two wrongs make a right thing”? If you ever had any cred, it’s gone now. Why should anyone believe ANYTHING you say, ever?

    Not that you give a shit, but…

    See what lying does?

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      1. >>It’s eating you alive, isn’t it? Good.

        Um, no. It’s hilarious. It’s eating me alive…with comedy.

        >>The real question: Why would anyone believe anything YOU say, ever?

        Because I’ve never lied on here, never endorsed hypocrisy, and I back up what I say with facts and common sense, not just faulty logic, speculation and (when all else fails) ad homs.

        Try it sometime!

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  14. Next time you use the word coward, you might want to look in the mirror since you continue to make wild accusations, name calling, etc etc etc. If you can’t put your name on the accusation you make, then who is coward? It is easy to call names when you hide behind spaceghost.

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    1. >>If you can’t put your name on the accusation you make, then who is coward? It is easy to call names when you hide behind spaceghost.

      Once again: Everyone but the columnists at this stupid site uses nicknames, so a) I have no idea why you’d expect me to be any different, and b) Why not tell messup and GodFearingPatriot and the rest your thoughts on nicknames? I’m sure they’d be fascinated.

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      1. Mr. Ross stated just a couple of weeks what “I was fine with the birth certificate that Obama provided.” What else do you want him to say? That doesn’t sound like a birther. Actually you owe him an apology. No one on the staff is a birther and considering that we are opposing the Queen of birthers, the case is close.

        But then Obama did appoint a 9/11 truther, Van Jones anyone? Not sure what is worse, accusing a President of treason which is what Van Jones and 9/11 truther have done or question a birth certificate? By the way, I am not birther. Like Frank, I will state Obama is a US citizen, eligble to be President. The issue is dead and there are plenty of other reasons to oppose Obama.

        The state comparatives are significant in that they do show that states that follow certain policies do better. There are have been studies over the years that show that states with lower tax burdens, do engage in excessive regulations or restraint spending do better than those who don’t. The recent ALEC study RichstatePoorstate 5th edition is one example. We know how wealth is created and we know which policies works. The data provided by Mr. Ross is simply supported by other data. His point that tax rate, and the amount of regulations matter on a national level and a state level. California is economic basket case because of the policies it is present following. Spending, taxes and regulations matter and considering that California is a wealthy state with plenty of resources, there is no reason for it to be in desperate economic strait. The reason that you don’t like the comparatives is that your side looks bad.

        The columnists don’t use nicknames. Tim Ross writes under Tim Ross, Frank writes under his name. You are actually confusing those write reponses like you with the writers. Big diffence. Besides God Fearing Patriot and Messup don’t tend to insult anyone or use curse words, you do. And you are the one who is calling others coward, Now do you understand?

        If this site is so stupid, why bother? You do have a life, right?

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  15. Final points: You have failed to dent Mr. Ross point on economic development in California, which was the orignal argument and two, my points are simply over your head. Since you play the race card and birther card even though nothing has ever been written on these pages to suggest we are either one, you have set the standard of how you will be judge.

    If you still hold that quoting or referencing Obama is race-baiting or racist, then you need to beld accountable for policies that are even more devstating to minority communities. I will tell after some four decades of working in the political arena, there are plenty of minorities who do agree with the statement that abortion is devastating for the minority communities.(and quite a few have used the word genocide in conversation with me.) Which explains why minorities tend to be more socially conservative than whites. You are totally clueless about how you present yourself and quite frankly it is waste of my time to respond to you. You question the courage of others but show none of it yourself.

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    1. >>You have failed to dent Mr. Ross point on economic development in California, which was the orignal argument

      No, it wasn’t. At all. Did you even READ his column? Can’t blame you for not, because it’s crap, but that wasn’t his point, not even close. Learn to read.

      >>Since you play the race card and birther card even though nothing has ever been written on these pages to suggest we are either one,

      Doubling over…with…laughter…

      Sorry, go on?

      >>If you still hold that quoting or referencing Obama is race-baiting or racist,

      I never, ever said that, so the rest of the paragraph is your usual sheer gibberish.

      Seriously, Tim, how much are you paying this dude to make you look like so much less of an idiot?

      He’s doing great!

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      1. I see you called in your Calvary again… welcome to the rodeo, Servo. How did he do last time? That’s right, he got demolished (my favorite was when I schooled him on the birth certificate issue originating with Hillary Clinton’s campaign). Good times.

        By the way, Turdsky, I fight my own battles and don’t call for back up. These folks arguing with you here and now… that’s not my doing. That’s 100% your doing. They are simply just tired of your douchebaggery.

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      Tom,

      You’ve been in politics so I know that you recognize Ghost’s tactics. Start with a common belief, and when challenged use a straw-man followed by a red-herring. It’s as if every liberal is A.D.D., because you can never pin them down.
      You, Tim and I have addressed his argument ad infinitum and he simply changes what his “point” is so as to avoid answering a direct charge. Then he changes the topic by attacking a minute point that one of us made. He pretends to be responding directly when in reality he is ducking the issue.
      When he realizes that we will not acquiesse, he degenerates into name-calling (coward etc.) because he wants so badly for his arguments to be bullet proof. Unfortunately, his arguments are shallow, devoid of intellectual honesty, and have been disproven historically; liberals hate that!

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      1. >>Start with a common belief, and when challenged use a straw-man followed by a red-herring.

        It just amazes me how many of you guys use “Straw man” in such a way that it’s quite obvious you don’t know what it means.

        Avatar, I explained to you why your California lecture was irrelevant gibberish. I did it quite plainly and clearly. It’s really not that complicated. Please explain to me how “Comparing statistics among very different states is complicated” is either a Strawman or a red herring or anything other than common freaking sense.

        >>Unfortunately, his arguments are shallow, devoid of intellectual honesty, and have been disproven historically; liberals hate that!

        It just boggles my mind how many of you post remarks like this and don’t bother to back them up with anything, but say it in such a smug, arrogant way that you actually seem to THINK it’s of value. Seriously mind-boggling.

        You’re all really, really bad at this.

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          Ghost,

          You’re too blind to see that I have demolished you point by point. You probably did’t even read my post because it was over your head.
          I’ve been around guys like you before; always thinking of your answer never listening. Pick a little piece of the pie and argue about that rather than look at the whole pie and try to dismantle it. Why? because you cannot do it. Obviously you were never taught the socratic method in school.

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          Ghost,

          You must walk around all day in constant shock and disbelief because you seem to always be amazed, shocked, or boggled by what people say.
          I can’t speak for Tim or tom, but as for me, I’m not shocked, boggled or amazed by anything you say.

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          1. >>I can’t speak for Tim or tom, but as for me, I’m not shocked, boggled or amazed by anything you say.

            Avatar, you lectured endlessly and pointlessly about the history of California. I explained what my point was and how irrelevant your lecture was in very clear, precise, simple terms. You have been non-responsive to that. Not a single one of you brave, intelligent souls are even able to concede something as fundamental and simple and non-partisan and common sense as “Many factors go into each state’s unemployment rate, which makes comparison of them complicated.”

            Either you agree but don’t want to admit it, or you don’t agree but can’t explain why.

            What is one to think?

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            you hit the nail on the head Ghost, to you and all liberals history doesn’t matter which is why your arguments lack all merit. understanding and applying history is how you deal with current events. I did lecture you because you act like a child who needs to be taught a lesson in california history. your diatribes would get an “F” (well not in governemnt schools, but private schools) because you have no ability to use history as a means to justify your answer. therefore they are meritless arguments. You don’t want to learn anything because your too busy demanding that you are the smartest one in the room. But see, you’re not… as Tim, Tom and me have continually proven.

      2. He is now backing away from many of his original statements like trying to deny what he stated about my pieces were race-baiting. It is fun to watch him twist in the wind with his logic and when the logic fails, just go to name calling.

        What can I say, I have won more than my fair share of debates with PHD’s behind their name and I am the idiot. Go figure.

        For someone who call other cowards, he still hides behind spaceghost. Mr. Avatar, when a person goes to name calling; you know you won the debate. I have been called worse by smarter people.

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          Tom,

          That was just what I have been thinking. That’s why name calling doesn’t work on me. I’ve been called worse by smarter too. Hell, anyone with an ex-wife knows how to be buttonless!
          Hey I issued the challenge to him. He can tell me where and when he wants Tim and I will make sure tim is there. That way he can prove that his courage doesn’t come typing into a keyboard

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  16. The monster awakens!

    You know you won the argument win Artless Turdsky starts bringing up the “straw man.” The last time I heard him bring that up, he wasn’t even using it in the correct context. So hilarious!

    You should ask him about the Boston Tea Party too. He actually — I am laughing so hard my side hurts — he actually believes the Boston Tea Party occurred — oh Lord, this is too good — he actually believes they threw tea in the harbor because — oh my — because taxes were — wait for it — lowered!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! You can talk to this guy until you are in blue in the face, but he is an idiot who will spout leftist crap at the drop of the hat. For the record, tea taxes were lowered…. in Britain, but new levies were imposed against the colonies. They threw tea in the harbor not because their taxes were lowered, but because of what began with the Townsend Acts and ended with the Tea Act. Watch, he will go off on this one… then he will accuse me of the “straw man” argument when all I am trying to do is not distract from the issue, but rather all I am trying to do is demonstrate what a total and complete imbecile we’re dealing with here.

    He is so bad at this that his catch phrase doesn’t even catch on.

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  17. >>You know you won the argument win Artless Turdsky starts bringing up the “straw man.”

    You’re aware that I “brought it up” in the sense that I’m responding to someone else bringing it up, right? Seriously, do you even read before you type?

    >>The last time I heard him bring that up, he wasn’t even using it in the correct context. So hilarious!

    No idea what you’re talking about. I’ve heard YOU yell “Strawman” in such a way that suggests that YOU have no clue what it means, but I basically call “Strawman” when I see shit like “So you’re saying it’s racist anytime anyone references Obama?” Dictionary definition Strawman.

    >>You should ask him about the Boston Tea Party too. He actually — I am laughing so hard my side hurts — he actually believes the Boston Tea Party occurred — oh Lord, this is too good — he actually believes they threw tea in the harbor because — oh my — because taxes were — wait for it — lowered!!!

    Oh my fucking God, are you actually bringing that up? When you vehemently disagreed with THE BOSTON TEA PARTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY said what the Tea Party was about? Seriously, that does you no favors at all, but have at it. Hilarious.

    >>You can talk to this guy until you are in blue in the face, but he is an idiot who will spout leftist crap at the drop of the hat.

    Yes, that “leftist crap” like “Comparing the unemployment rates of two completely different states is actually more complicated than you think.” Which I notice you still have done everything you can not to address. Because you can’t without admitting how wrong you are, and you’re programmed not to do that, so instead, you blather on about an argument we had months and months ago, and which you still could never quite comprehend. The mind just reels.

    >>then he will accuse me of the “straw man” argument when all I am trying to do is not distract from the issue,

    Okay, the above sentence suggests that yes indeedy, you don’t actually know what a “straw man” is, and beyond that, it’s sheer hilarity that you just devote an entire freaking paragraph to the Boston Tea Party and then immediately follow up with “all I’m trying to do is not distract from the issue”…which is actually comparing the unemployment rates of different states.

    Yes, Tim, bravo to you for not distracting from the issue. What could be more relevant to the differing unemployment rates in states and how the states’ policies regarding small businesses affect them than…the cause of the Boston Tea Party?

    Mind reeling…Eyes hurting…

    <<He is so bad at this that his catch phrase doesn’t even catch on.

    Fortunately, since you officially went on record as endorsing deliberate hypocrisy, nothing you say has any cred. You're saying I'm bad at this has about as much weight as you calling someone a "kid-hater." Do you actually believe it? Who knows? It's CBT! It could mean anything!

    You crack me up, you know that?

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  18. >>He is now backing away from many of his original statements like trying to deny what he stated about my pieces were race-baiting.

    You’re such a fucking idiot.

    I’m not backing away from anything, Tom. What I said every freaking time (at least twelve) and am still saying is that bringing up things like the dog-eating, his middle name, and anything that paints Obama like an exotic, foreign creature is race-baiting.

    What I did NOT say, anywhere, ever, is that “Referencing Obama is racism” or “Quoting Obama’s book is race-baiting” or any of the other multitudes of Strawmen you keep deploying. What I said REPEATEDLY is that if you do something THAT HAS THE INTENTION of reminding people of Obama’s other-ness, THAT is race-baiting.

    Show me where I’ve said anything other than that in this topic. Go on, I’ll be right here.

    It’s really not that complicated.

    Seriously, I don’t know how you continue breathing.

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  19. Okay, I gotta stop Donelson right there when he says this:

    >>Since you play the race card and birther card even though nothing has ever been written on these pages to suggest we are either one…

    Um, what’s this?
    http://www.hollywoodrepublican.net/2011/04/obama-releases-birth-certificate/

    Not just the article, but the stream of comments by the author and other RWs on this site continually falling in line and doing their best to continue to cast as much doubt on Obama’s citizenship even after the proof they asked for was given. And then when challenged on it, the author has the audacity to say “I am fine with the certificate” AND “I’ve been clear on this subject”.

    Again: http://www.hollywoodrepublican.net/2011/04/obama-releases-birth-certificate/

    ???

    But don’t worry. HR commenter Bruce Carson is making sure Alex Jones is on the case! But no…no birthers here.

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  20. >>I see you called in your Calvary again…

    And I see you don’t know how to spell “cavalry” again.

    >>welcome to the rodeo, Servo. How did he do last time? That’s right, he got demolished (my favorite was when I schooled him on the birth certificate issue originating with Hillary Clinton’s campaign).

    Hm, no, I recall him demolishing you on a number of points, and you doing your usual non-responsive tap dance. You couldn’t “school” anyone on anything if you had a magical schooling machine. You have zero cred. You keep forgetting that.

    >>By the way, Turdsky, I fight my own battles and don’t call for back up.

    Nor do I. That others also get some entertainment out of exposing what a stupid, dishonest fraud you are is not in my control.

    >>These folks arguing with you here and now… that’s not my doing. That’s 100% your doing. They are simply just tired of your douchebaggery.

    Yeah, what do you want a medal? So there are people even dumber than you to defend your crappy columns. Whoop-de-do. Sadly, not one of them are capable of formualting a coherent argument, nor rebutting mine. If one of them even ATTEMPTED to rebut the argument, “Comparing the unemployment rates of very different states is more complicated than looking at just one metric,” I’d drop dead of shock. (Not that they actually COULD rebut that, but it’d be jaw-dropping just to see them try.)

    You’re so, so, so not good at this.

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    1. Oh, are we now going after spelling and grammar errors… because I’ve seen you write plenty. Bottom line is that Calvary, the location where Jesus was crucified, was auto corrected as I quickly typed and I paid no mind. So, relax, Turdsky.

      By the way, “Whoop-de-do” is spelled Whoop-de-doo.

      Moron.

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      1. >>Oh, are we now going after spelling and grammar errors… because I’ve seen you write plenty.

        Sure, normally I’d pay it no mind, it’s just that that one is so amusing that Servo pointed it out last time to great comic effect…and you made it AGAIN. It’s funny, is all.

        No worries. I have faith that someday your sense of humor will evolve beyond “Ha, ha, poop!”

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  21. >>You’re too blind to see that I have demolished you point by point. You probably did’t even read my post because it was over your head.

    Yeah? Really? You demolished the point that comparing the unemployment rates of two completely different states requires looking at more than one metric? Where was that? I indeed must have missed it; my view was probably obstructed by all the Strawmen.

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    1. TURDSKY… for the last time. It’s not comparing the unemployment rate of two states… it’s about the TREND that small business is complaining about onerous regulations and burdensome taxes in SEVERAL states… and, coincidentally, those same states have lower unemployment… and, coincidentally, those same states have Democrats running them for the last umpteenth years. The bottom line, it goes to their policies.

      Get a clue, idiot.

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      1. You do see why it makes perfect sense to believe you might be a Birther, right Ross? Just because you are clever enough to not actually call yourself a Birther doesn’t mean you aren’t pushing the Birther line. Which basically makes you a Birther in my book.

        Unless you can take Ghost’s* challenge and say–unequivocally–that you believe the birth certificate to be authentic and genuine…which you have NEVER done. And until you do, you have zero credibility with me.

        *Who by the way is not a coward, Donelson. Ghost is on Facebook and goes mano-a-mano with Ross almost daily under his full name over there. He’s not anonymous. No, the only coward around here is Ross, who is afraid to say he believes that Obama’s birth certificate is authentic and genuine…period.

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        1. Th9ught you admitted that I am not a “birther” – were you lying then or just trying to get some political leverage now? Either way… disingenuous.

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      2. >>It’s not comparing the unemployment rate of two states… it’s about the TREND that small business is complaining about onerous regulations and burdensome taxes in SEVERAL states… and, coincidentally, those same states have lower unemployment…

        And I’m still saying you’re not looking at enough data to make a credible claim of any sort of “trend.” Hell, your column isn’t even looking at all the data IN THAT ONE SURVEY, just comparing the top three grades with the bottom three. If I delve further into the findings, will I find some low-graded states that have low taxes and less licensing regulation? Or high-graded states that have higher taxes and more licensing regulation? Guessing so.

        Is there a connection? Is your thesis valid? MAYBE.

        Have you thought this through enough to be so certain that it IS?

        No.

        But when would THAT ever stop you?

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      You want to talk metrics? you are out of your league. You aren’t even applying metrics when you attempt to simplify your argument after the fact that you were just stating that California and Idaho are completely different states.
      Pick your metric, I’ll rebut. But I’ll have to school you on history again because metrics are based on trends, trends are based on history.

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      1. >>You want to talk metrics? you are out of your league. You aren’t even applying metrics when you attempt to simplify your argument after the fact that you were just stating that California and Idaho are completely different states.

        So…They’re NOT completely different states? California and IDAHO? I have to back that up with metrics?

        Um…

        You’re kidding, right?

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          Metric: noun – A system of related measures that facilitates the quantification of some particular characteristic.

          No dumb ass you are not using a metric when you are saying that California and Idaho are two different states.

          are you kidding? go take a math class

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          1. >>No dumb ass you are not using a metric when you are saying that California and Idaho are two different states.

            Right, yes. I’m saying they’re two different states because IT’S BLEEDING OBVIOUS they’re two different states. To me, anyway.

            To you…No?

            I mean…Wow.

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            Your the one who claims that you have to look at more than one metric because they are two different states, but previously claimed that the two states are just that two different states. So which is it jackass?

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            Can you look at the metrics and comapre the tax rate and unemployment rate between state A and state B or not?
            Which is what Tim’s collumn was doing in the first place, measuring the different application of policy between two states and seeing two different results.

  22. The state comparatives are significant in that they do show that states that follow certain policies do better. There are have been studies over the years that show that states with lower tax burdens, do engage in excessive regulations or restraint spending do better than those who don’t. The recent ALEC study RichstatePoorstate 5th edition is one example. We know how wealth is created and we know which policies works. The data provided by Mr. Ross is simply supported by other data. His point that tax rate, and the amount of regulations matter on a national level and a state level. California is economic basket case because of the policies it is present following. Spending, taxes and regulations matter and considering that California is a wealthy state with plenty of resources, there is no reason for it to be in desperate economic strait. The reason that you don’t like the comparatives is that your side looks bad.

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  23. >>His point that tax rate, and the amount of regulations matter on a national level and a state level.

    That’s not his point. Again.

    Donelson, this here is the minor, minor leagues, but you’re still in over your head. Go back to saying how racist abortion is, but that you don’t believe it, but then defending the position anyway.

    It’s like watching some really horrible skateboarding accident on Youtube over and over. Sad…but kinda hypnotic, you know?

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  24. >>like I said who cares? why do you care?

    I wouldn’t say I “care”, exactly, but the point is, Tim had written some very birther-friendly stuff before the birth certificate was released (and even shortly AFTER), and I was trying to get him to take a stance on it once and for all, and he was too cowardly to do it, is the point. I understand you’re friends with him or something, and it’s no fun admitting that you’re friends with a coward, but here you are. Sorry.

    >>is not Barack Obama the president regardless? Why is it soooo very important that you. so yes you’re actinbg like a child. it is irrelevent. its a non-issue.

    Again, I say: I’m not the one who thought it was a worthy enough issue to write lengthy columns about it. (One was even a PRIMER Q & A for the newbie birther.) That was Tim. Even to this day, he continues griping about all the supposed “photoshopping” done to the birth certificate, but he STILL won’t commit one way or the other to “The birth certificate is genuine” or “The birth certificate is fake.” Instead he compromises: “The birth certificate is FINE (?)…even though it’s been photoshopped. (???)”

    Important? No.

    Revealing? Absolutely. It was a test of Tim’s willingness to stand behind his views, and he failed miserably.

    End of story.

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      So you’ve been ranting for two days about “birther” bullshit but you don’t care? then you are very lonely, and/or unemployed.

      Coward: noun – A person who shows fear or timidity.

      Tim has answered the question several times. Just becasue you do not like the answer doesn’t mean he didn’t answer it. but he is not being a coward. You however are, I believe you are a man who lives in fear, who slinks over to his key board and trolls the night away because you are unable to talk to women, can’t look a man in the eye, writes absurd monstrosities that can’t get published and are frustated that your “genius” goes unrecognized.
      I bet you identify with Holden Caufield… I bet he’s one of your favorite characters. I bet he “speaks” to your inner soul.
      Oh dear God, perish the thought that Tim Ross failed miserably in your mind. You’re such a good writer, perhaps you can jot down a sad ballad… an ode to someone who failed you… Oh wait, I bet you’d be better off writing about your old man who didn’t love you, or your mommy who loved you too much. Perhaps the high school girlfriend who dumped you before senior prom to go with the jock… you are a cliche!

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      1. >>So you’ve been ranting for two days about “birther” bullshit but you don’t care? then you are very lonely, and/or unemployed.

        Who’s been “ranting”? You asked why I called Tim a coward, and I told you. Because he’s ashamed of his own views. End of story.

        >>Tim has answered the question several times. Just becasue you do not like the answer doesn’t mean he didn’t answer it.

        Sorry, no, he hasn’t. That’s just wrong. He has side-stepped and danced around it and not actually answered it. That’s not just me talking, it’s Servo and everyone else on that Facebook page who never got an actual answer from him. There is a difference between “The birth certificate is fine”, which means nothing, and “The birth certificate is authentic”, which is an actual stance that Tim, for some reason, refuses to say. And again, I say: If he actually DID say that, a) Show me where, and b) Why isn’t Tim telling me to hold up my end of the bargain?

        Until you can answer those questions, you’re just babbling.

        >> I believe you are a man who lives in fear…etc

        Yawn. More speculative, irrelevant ad homs. I can see why you and CBT get along so well. Again, I say: I don’t do that, because I don’t need to; I stick to the crappy arguments on display here. That YOU GUYS seem to feel you have to says far more about you than me.

        >>Oh dear God, perish the thought that Tim Ross failed miserably in your mind.

        No, I’m delighted that Tim Ross failed miserably. That’s what you’re not getting. A challenge was issued, he failed miserably and thus revealed his own cowardice in the process. You’re friends with him, so you can’t see it, but it’s quite, quite visible to the rest of us, and it’s a thing of glory. Trust me.

        As to the rest…

        Yawn. Way to stick to the topic. Go play with Tim’s poop. Build a nice little poop fort and then knock it down with a poop truck. Whee!

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          There were no ad homonyms, cursory psychological profiling though. You keep using words and logical fallacies in the areas, which makes me question your education.
          Tim did not fail, you did. You are the only one who thinks otherwise.
          I’m sure that all this is boring you, facts to a liberal usually do because it gets in the way of good demagoguery.
          Oh and by the way I offered you a challenge previously and you failed to respond, so I guess you are the real coward.

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          1. >>There were no ad homonyms, cursory psychological profiling though.

            Okay, clearly you don’t know what “ad hominem” means. Speculating on my personal life instead of the arguments at hand? That’s dictionary definition ad hom. You’re welcome.

            >>You keep using words and logical fallacies in the areas, which makes me question your education.

            And you guys keep saying stupid crap like that without backing it up while ignoring the points at hand, which makes me yawn.

            >>Oh and by the way I offered you a challenge previously and you failed to respond, so I guess you are the real coward.

            What, to waste my free time meeting a lying, hypocritical moron face to face? Um, no thanks.

            But if being willing to meet challenges is the measure of courage or cowardice, then your pal scored in the negatives. And way to address the points raised with regard to that. Again I ask: If you’re so sure he met my challenge, why isn’t he telling me to hold up my end of the deal?

            Seriously, I can’t imagine a scenario where a guy who’s annoying me on a regular basis challenges me to express a belief that I actually hold and offers to go away for six months if I do so, and I do anything other than a) immediately, happily meet the challenge, and b) tell the guy to hold up his end of the deal and go away.

            Can you?

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            “It’s a waste of my time…” what a classic example of a coward. Holden Caufield would be proud. I’m sure you no what I mean.

  25. >>Your the one who claims that you have to look at more than one metric because they are two different states, but previously claimed that the two states are just that two different states. So which is it jackass?

    Huh? Okay, clearly – despite it being a very, very simple point – it went over your head. It’s not an either/or here, dude, it’s really basic. It goes like this:

    California and Idaho (and again, these are just EXAMPLES from the six states that Tim named)? TWO VERY DIFFERENT STATES.

    And BECAUSE they’re so different, you can’t just look at one or two metrics and make a definitive determination about why one’s unemployment rate is higher than the other.

    Seriously, that’s it. Whole point. Not complicated. Not even partisan. Just simple common sense.

    COULD it be Tim’s explanation? Sure. But Tim didn’t come anywhere near making the case that it IS. Because Tim is lazy and doesn’t think shit through. There could be MANY reasons why unemployment rates differ among states. Tim says there’s a “trend” there. Okay, if you want to make a case for trend, maybe you show me that ALL, or at least MOST, of the states with high taxes and license regulations have significantly higher unemployment rates than those that don’t. But the top three and the bottom three? That’s IT? That’s supposed to prove the case? Six out of fifty?

    I mean, if Tim’s so sure there’s a trend, why NOT show me how the trend demonstrates itself down the line? Why just the top three? If there’s such a damning case to be made, why not make it?

    Seriously, man, have you thought this through? You’re arguing AGAINST the point that California and Idaho are very different?

    I mean…Again…

    Wow.

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      1. >>Whoop-de-doo!!!

        Avatar, check it out. Since you joined the party, he’s barely even trying anymore. Why should he, when he’s got YOU to do the heavy lifting now?

        Make sure he buys you a beer next time you guys meet up. Least he can do.

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  26. >>The columnists don’t use nicknames. Tim Ross writes under Tim Ross, Frank writes under his name.

    Uh, right. Exactly what I said. Go on?

    >>You are actually confusing those write reponses like you with the writers. Big diffence.

    Um, no, I said exactly what you’re saying so far, that almost everyone EXCEPT the columnists (INCLUDING YOU) writes under nicknames. So far, all you’ve demonstrated is illiteracy. But go on?

    >>Besides God Fearing Patriot and Messup don’t tend to insult anyone or use curse words, you do.

    a) You’re wrong, both have been plenty insulting, but even if they weren’t… b) So…it’s not okay to use a nickname if you’re insulting and use profanity?

    Hm. Did not get that memo. No, sir. Interesting rule. You just make it up yourself?

    (I see why you and Tim are such pals. You’re equally awful at this!)

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  27. >>You’re too blind to see that I have demolished you point by point.

    I swear to God, it’s amazing how often you guys feel you have to remind us of that. You know who DOESN’T bother reminding people so frequently how they’ve demolished someone else’s points? People who actually demolish people’s points.

    >>You probably did’t even read my post because it was over your head.

    Right, you’re such a goddamn genius, that must be why it hurts my eyes to read your posts. The blinding intelligence at work there. Nailed it!

    (Psst…That was sarcasm. You’re actually quite, quite bad at this. Go play with Tim’s poop.)

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  28. >>Um, no, I said exactly what you’re saying so far, that almost everyone EXCEPT the columnists (INCLUDING YOU) writes under nicknames. So far, all you’ve demonstrated is illiteracy. But go on?

    Sorry, I thought I was addressing Avatar, so I retract the “including you” above, Tom…but okay, speaking of avatar…How come you’re not remarking on HIS use of a nickname?

    (Hint: Because you’re a moron with double standards. That was a gimme.)

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      1. >>Oh, you never go ad hominen… LOL

        No, CBT, I actually don’t. I get insulting at times, but I never try to undermine your argument with irrelevant outside crap like your job and personal life and education. Know why? Don’t need to. Your arguments suck just as they are, no external crap necessary.

        >>Have I mentioned that you are bad at this?

        Hey, sure, you’ve got Avatar doing your shit work for you. Why NOT be lazy?

        Have a pina colada!

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        1. Make no mistake Turdsky, your lack of life experience, your terrible education and your inability to have career well into your 40s is absolutely and totally relevant. Why? Because for a guy that thinks he knows so much, he (1) doesn’t have the pedigree, (2) doesn’t have the knowledge, and (3) lacks both the basic and nuanced understanding of so much that you talk about. Look, you can’t apply the works of Karl Marx to the world we live in and expect to be taken seriously when you haven’t even begun to scrape the surface of what life is. You’ve made nothing — NOTHING — of yourself since you graduated from your crappy little left wing hippie college. You’re no better off today then you were then. It’s classic arrested development… and you want to be taken seriously. You bring nothing to the table — NOTHING. The people you’ve been arguing with… we all have education, careers, families and the life experience to discuss many of these topics that affect us as individuals as well as the aggregate. How can I put this in a way that your mal-developed mind can understand this? It’s like you are telling us how to have sex and criticizing the way we do it… and you’re a virgin. Dude, go out there and get some carnal knowledge and stop regurgitating what your leftist professor have imparted on to you. So, it’s not “external crap.” It’s absolutely and totally necessary relevant.

          Go out and get a life, dude. Then come back and be an “expert” on everything from photoshop to the Boston Tea Party to onerous regulations to gas prices to abortion to whatever else you want to discuss. In the meantime, you’re just a pimple on our collective ass.

          Have I mentioned how horribly bad your wanna-be catch-phrase is?!

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            We are the sum total of our experience. A person can surmise a problem or situation, but unless he has experience in the specific forum then the offered solution is only academic.
            We see how ghost runs away from direct facts, attempts to sidetrack and then belittles.
            For instance, he is still trying to state that California and Idaho are completely different states thereby begging the question. Of course they are two different states because they are not the same state nor do they occupy the same space. But the intent of his original post is that California and Idaho are so very different with the example that California has thousands of people trying to break into show biz.
            But the point of your article, as everyone else understands it is that the way government does business in California as opposed to Idaho, or some other states is detrimental to California with the examples of tax rates and unemployment being the measurement (dare I say metrics) to support your point of view.
            California and idaho are two different states, but they are built and run on the two principles of repubicanism and capitalism. Their approach to governement and economics (i.e. Republicanism and capitalism) is different.
            Why Ghost chooses to ignore the point of the article is
            1) He’s an idiot (and I mean that literally; he suffer from a low I.Q. and therefore cannot comprehend)
            2) He doesn’t care about facts that interfere with his own opinion. and therefore delves into minutae hoping to continue his feeble argument to the point of exhaustion.
            3) He has nothing better to do because he is unempoyed, angry, and lonely.
            these are not ad hominem’s these are just questions that have come to my mind as I have read and replied to his banal rants.

  29. >>Make no mistake Turdsky, your lack of life experience, your terrible education and your inability to have career well into your 40s is absolutely and totally relevant.

    Even if you knew anything about any of that, which you don’t…No, it isn’t. The way to invalidate or rebut an argument is to prove that the argument ITSELF is flawed. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Seriously, that you can’t comprehend this is truly sad.

    The rest is ad hom gibberish, and again, you don’t even know what you’re talking about, so I’ll leave it be, save that it does absolutely nothing to rebut my points. NOTHING.

    And you’re still hopelessly, hopelessly clueless about the Boston Tea Party.

    You’re so fucking bad at this. Have I mentioned?

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  30. >>Go out and get a life, dude. Then come back and be an “expert” on everything from photoshop to the Boston Tea Party to onerous regulations to gas prices to abortion to whatever else you want to discuss. In the meantime, you’re just a pimple on our collective ass.

    Incidentally, CBT, if I’m such an annoyance and my points so worthless and uneducated, here’s a question:

    Why haven’t you told me to hold up my end of the deal and stop responding to you?

    You keep claiming that you held up your end of the deal, right? And yet you’re still letting me respond to you?

    What’s up with that?

    It’s almost as if you DIDN’T meet the challenge but can’t admit it because you’re ashamed of your own Birtherism or something.

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  31. >>Here you go ghost:
    http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/california-353450-business-state.html
    over 500 CEO’s agree with Tim.

    Umm, sorry, no. Whether or not California is viewed as being bad for businesses was never in dispute. I have not said a single WORD in rebuttal of what the survey found.

    The issue I raised was with Tim’s direct LINKING of the findings of the survey with unemployment rates, mainly because a) He was only looking at the top three and bottom three states, and b) There are OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER.

    Seriously, man, how can you possibly dispute that there are other factors to consider? Tim didn’t even bother to mention that there MIGHT be other factors to consider. If he really wanted to prove his case and were actually good at this, he’d, AT A BARE MINIMUM, point out other factors and prove them to be NOT relevant. He’s not looking at the average AGE of the population, or the average EDUCATION LEVEL of the population. He’s not considering the TYPES OF INDUSTRIES in these states, and how well or poorly or doing at the moment.

    Don’t you think those (just for starters) might be relevant enough factors to merit a mention? If he’s making as bold a statement as “THE REASON state X has lower unemployment than state Y is because of how friendly it is to small businesses,” the onus is on HIM to demonstrate that indeed, THAT’S THE REASON, and there’s NO OTHER FACTORS at play?

    All he did was decide what he wanted to believe was the reason, and then looked at this ONE ASPECT in six (out of 50) states that seemed to confirm what he was already convinced of. Don’t you think it’s his responsibility, as the WRITER of the damn column, to do a tiny bit more than that?
    Of course you don’t. Because you’re Tim’s pal, so everything he says is absolutely right, and anyone he argues with is totally wrong.

    To which I say: Yawn. Perish the thought you should do some independent thinking when you have Tim Ross to do it for you, and he has Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter to do it for HIM.

    Yawn.

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  32. >>But the intent of his original post is that California and Idaho are so very different with the example that California has thousands of people trying to break into show biz.

    Sorry, no, that wasn’t my point. Learn to read.

    Again: They’re TWO VERY DIFFERENT STATES (entertainment industry being AN EXAMPLE), so therefore, COMPARING THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT RATES IS COMPLICATED AND INVOLVES MANY FACTORS.

    Whatever, your brain is just going to barf that back up, unable to digest it. Not sure why I even bother repeating this stuff over and over when it’s clearly sailing over your head in its simplicity, but it helps the spare time at the office go by, so what the hell.

    >>Why Ghost chooses to ignore the point of the article is
    1) He’s an idiot…2) He doesn’t care about facts

    If those are the conclusions to be made about one who missed the point of the article, I congratulate you on your trenchant self-analysis.

    >>He has nothing better to do because he is unempoyed…

    I’m far from unemployed. See what happens when you a) ad hom; b) about shit you don’t know anything about?

    Yawn.

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  33. >>“It’s a waste of my time…” what a classic example of a coward.

    You’re an idiot. I’m supposed to agree to squander my limited free time on meeting up with this moronic, lying, dickhead Birther, and I’m a “coward” to say that doesn’t interest me? Tim is too much of a fucking coward to type either “I believe the birth certificate is authentic and accurate” or “I DON’T believe the birth certificate is authentic and accurate”, but I’m the coward because I have better shit to do than hang out with cowardly douchebags?

    Seriously, man, you’re really not good at this. Go play with poop.

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  34. Incidentally, just in case anyone’s wondering about that “hilarious” argument from the past Tim brought up as some sort of triumph on his part…

    From the non-partisan CONSTITUION CENTER’s blog (and Wikipedia and all other credible sources say pretty much the same):

    “The reason for the party, however, is often misremembered. Colonists were protesting the British tax on imported tea not because it was too high, but because it was too low. Britain was trying to create a monopoly for the East India Company, an English trading corporation. By LOWERING (emphasis mine) the duty for tea imported to the colonies by the East India Company, Britain hoped to undercut the prices of the smuggled, untaxed tea market in America.”

    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/the-real-reason-for-the-boston-tea-party/

    Tim has zero cred, have I mentioned?

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    1. And that, folks, is where “no taxation without representation” began. History lesson for the regurgitating Turdsky… Americans rejected the Stamp Act of 1765 brought in by British Prime Minister George Grenville, and violently rejected the remaining tax on tea imports (sure the taxes were low, but they were taxes nonetheless… and they were inescapable), under the Tea Act passed in May 1773, at the Boston Tea Party on December 16, 1773. BOOM!

      While Wikipedia is a source of a lot of good information, it is not considered credible… Why? Because it is user-generated content that can be altered in seconds to say just the opposite what it did before.

      By the way, it’s spelled CONSTITUTION, not “CONSTITUION.” But I never ever expect Leftists get anything about the Constitution correct.

      Also, it’s spelled unemployed, not “unempoyed.” But I never ever expect Leftists get anything about employment correct either.

      And since we’re there, your sentence, “Even if you knew anything about any of that, which you don’t… No, it isn’t.” is considered this week’s top grammatical hot mess! Congrats.

      What were you saying about zero cred? Yeah, you just got a taste of your own medicine, and I didn’t even need a cavalry, moron. Speaking of meds… don’t you need to take yours?!

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  35. >>And that, folks, is where “no taxation without representation” began.

    I cannot fucking believe that you are still disputing this. You are now disputing not only the Boston Tea Party Historical Society, but the Constitution Center. The fucking gall and hubris on display here is just incalculable. The tax was fucking LOWERED. Yes, Tim, it was about taxation without representation…which doesn’t change the fact that the tax was LOWERED, meaning it was a CORPORATE TAX CUT that they were reacting to. Which part of that is unclear?

    >>While Wikipedia is a source of a lot of good information, it is not considered credible…

    Okay…And the quote is from the Constitution Center’s blog. I only mentioned Wikipedia and the others as being in AGREEMENT with it. They all say the same fucking thing, Tim. Were they all hacked?

    >>By the way, it’s spelled CONSTITUTION, not “CONSTITUION.” But I never ever expect Leftists get anything about the Constitution correct.

    Ha, ha, a typo. Cause you never make those! Ha, I love playing with poop!

    >>Also, it’s spelled unemployed, not “unempoyed.”
    But I never ever expect Leftists get anything about employment correct either.

    Ha, you’re on a poop roll! Of course, I was actually copying and pasting that particular typo made by Avatar, so…hear that, Avatar? IN YOUR FACE! Typos are fucking hilarious! Poop is awesome!

    >>And since we’re there, your sentence, “Even if you knew anything about any of that, which you don’t… No, it isn’t.” is considered this week’s top grammatical hot mess! Congrats.

    Doesn’t seem a mess to me, but in any case, the fact that you’re now focusing on grammar and typos, for fuck’s sake, speaks worlds. And have you read some of the other columns at this POS site? I really wouldn’t get too high and mighty about grammar and typos if I were you. Hell, a day when all the HEADLINES are devoid of typos is a point of pride here.

    >>What were you saying about zero cred?

    That you don’t fucking have any. Cause you don’t.

    >>Yeah, you just got a taste of your own medicine, and I didn’t even need a cavalry, moron.

    Seriously, THAT’S what the above was about? That I was amused that you spelled a word wrong the same way twice even after being called on it the first time? Jesus, for a douchebag, you sure are sensitive.

    >>Speaking of meds… don’t you need to take yours?!

    Ha! So much hilarity in one post. I’m fresh out of “zings”. It just never gets old.

    Meanwhile, all sorts of shit left unanswered so that you could rag on TYPOS, for fuck’s sake.

    Wow, are you bad at this.

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    1. Hey, idiot, I never go after people’s typos… unless that is the silly stupid game they play. So, don’t criticize me unless you can take it too. Apparently, you can’t. And, apparently, you don’t have the mental faculty to comprehend and discern the facts of the Boston Tea Party from one source to another. All you can do is regurgitate, out of context, one source that supports your narrative. Again, because you are slow, Americans rejected the Stamp Act of 1765 brought in by British Prime Minister George Grenville, and violently rejected the remaining tax on tea imports (sure the taxes were low, but they were taxes nonetheless… and they were inescapable), under the Tea Act passed in May 1773, at the Boston Tea Party on December 16, 1773. Read it slowly, idiot.

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  36. >>Hey, idiot, I never go after people’s typos… unless that is the silly stupid game they play. So, don’t criticize me unless you can take it too.

    Dude, I made ONE amused comment about a funny spelling mistake you’d made a couple times, even after being corrected, and several days later, here you are dishing out my “medicine” back at me and acting all sensitive about it? Jesus, man, you need a vacation or something. Chill! Take some me…Oh, ha ha, I almost stole YOUR best joke there!

    >>Apparently, you can’t.

    No, apparently, I can. This is what’s just astonishing about you. I make FUN of you for something you say about me, and you somehow interpret that is me being unable to “take” it. Dude, go ahead and make fun of my typos all you want. My ONLY response to it has been one of amazement about how desperate you’re getting it. Seriously, how do you miss that? Which part of that is unclear?

    >>And, apparently, you don’t have the mental faculty to comprehend and discern the facts of the Boston Tea Party from one source to another. All you can do is regurgitate, out of context, one source that supports your narrative.

    They ALL support that narrative. It’s really simple, Tim: Did the tax go up or down? If you say “Up”, then you are disagreeing with every single credible source out there, including the Boston Tea Party Historical Socity. If you say “Down”, then that pretty much ends this conversation, because that was my point. Which is it?

    >>Again, because you are slow, Americans rejected the Stamp Act of 1765…

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can copy and paste repeatedly (from the same source. And then bag on ME for only using one source, even though I clearly said I was using SEVERAL that all agreed. But whatever.). But can you read? Here’s the timeline over at the BTPSH.

    http://www.boston-tea-party.org/timeline.html

    Note this part:

    1773
    Tea Act

    By reducing the tax on imported British tea, this act gave British merchants an unfair advantage in selling their tea in America. American colonists condemned the act, and many planned to boycott tea.

    We done here?

    (Hint: Probably not, because you’re a fucking douchebag who can never admit he’s wrong even in the face of the fucking FACTS. But if you WEREN’T such an idiot, we’d be done. Ah, dare to dream.)

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  37. Incidentally, it’s fucking hysterical that you said in last night’s post…

    “While Wikipedia is a source of a lot of good information, it is not considered credible… Why? Because it is user-generated content that can be altered in seconds to say just the opposite what it did before.”

    Immediately AFTER the paragraph you copied and pasted…and just did so again…from the “No taxation without representation” entry…

    …of Wikipedia.

    Damn, you crack me up.

    And incidentally, if you’d clicked on the hyperlink to the Tea Act entry, YOU would have learned something. Such as the PROVISIONS of the Tea Act, which included:

    “Duties on tea (charged in Britain) destined for North America “and foreign parts” would either be refunded on export or not imposed.”

    Aka: “Corporate tax CUT.”

    Fucking deal with it already. Jesus!

    And nice smokescreen, btw. I’ll admit that it was probably my mistake in responding to you at all on this, but since you were bringing up your own humiliation again, I just couldn’t resist. But yes, now we’re nice and far afield from the fact that you wrote a whole column based on an erroneous conclusion you drew without considering a whole shitload of other factors you should have considered. Bravo on that. But it’s transparent, and no one’s buying it.

    God, you suck at this.

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