Keeping Ron Paul Supporters

Keeping Ron Paul Supporters

Ron paul supportersFor Republicans, the time has come to realize that the ultimate goal is to win the White House and form an anti -Obama coalition around the idea of increased economic freedom.  I am not a Ron Paul supporter but I know quite a few and their goals on economic ideas are not much different than the average Republican; free market works and interventionist government polices along with crony capitalism doesn’t.   Paul has tapped into groups that in the past would not even consider any Republicans.   Among the Ron Paul supporters I interviewed included a gay woman who is engaged; a mother of four who proudly told me that her two oldest sons are part of the Paul army and black entrepreneur.    That is about a diverse a group as one can reach and the mother of four added that she even talked a 50 year old former John Edwards supporter into joining the liberty cause.

Long term Iowa observer David Yepsen noted, “This year’s polls also show social conservatives caring more about jobs and the economy than about abortion and gay marriage. And, unlike in 2008, social conservatives are divided among several candidates. There’s no Mike Huckabee to rally around, nor is there an Iowa political machine that strongly influences voters. Making a presidential choice is highly personal, and in Iowa especially, nobody will “deliver” anybody but themselves on caucus night.”  Yepsen point is that economics matters with social conservatives as it does with Paul supporters.

There is a divide on foreign affairs with isolationist wing of the Republican enjoying a resurgence and even the more interventionist of the Republicans are less hesitant to engage in foreign adventurism and as Yepsen noted, “ No matter the outcome, Ron Paul’s strength indicates a resurgence of the libertarian and isolationist wings of the Republican Party. Hard times and unpopular wars will do that.”

What can easily be seen is that there is a unifying theme that our economic policies are not working and most Americans view the country going in the wrong direction. The problem is that there are too many pots stirring their own ambition at the expense of liberty. Gary Johnson has taken his leave of the Republican Party to run for President as a Libertarian, Donald Trump has shown his true color as he shown self-promotion takes precedence over what is good for the country and now there is rumor about whether Ron Paul will stay in the Party or run as an independent.

The natural process in a political campaign is to go for juggler and in Paul’s case, his foreign policy and his old newsletter offers plenty of weapons but before going for the juggler, the Republicans might want to consider how best to deal with Paul, since his supporters are up for grab and potential member of a future conservative majority.  The reason for many of Paul’s supporters’ allegiances is his dedication to a liberty agenda.  Considering that many of Paul’s supporters come from the left and moved right, many of these are distrustful of Republicans and while the number of conservatives has grown, the number of voters calling themselves Republicans have not.

For Republicans, there is a way to disagree and there is not to disagree.  It is about going after Obama and there is one thing that can said with certainty, the biggest social issue facing us is the size of government.  If there was one issue that unites quite a few Democrats, Libertarians, Republicans, social conservatives is that the size of government matters and is now threatening our freedom.   The Republican leadership might want to take in consideration, this is the most important election in a generation and failure is not an option. To lose will condemn this nation to second class status and the road to serfdom.  Paul supporters are outside of mainstream conservatism but with the right approach and right agenda, we can appeal to enough of them to rebuild an economic free market conservative majority.

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74 Responses to "Keeping Ron Paul Supporters"

  1. Nice try, but most Ron Paul supporters I know are committed to our cause…whether Dr. Paul runs 3rd party or not, the GOP candidate cannot count on having our vote. There is much more at stake in our country than “forming an anti-Obama coalition”. It would make no sense to me to replace President Obama with either Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum. I’ll be voting for NO ONE BUT RON PAUL.

    One important correction to your article: we are not “isolationists”…we are non-interventionists. If you don’t know the difference, Google and learn.

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    1. Thank you for your response and I do understand your point of view. Here is the question that many Ron Paul supporters need to answer; can we really afford four more years of Obama? A Republican administration in 2013 will have several things going for it, not the least is heavy Tea Party influecnce, a Presidential victory will mean a Republican Congress led not just the usual establishment but congressional leaders like Rand Paul, who will have more impact than free market conservatives will have in the past. You have a choice, you can either help the GOP wins in 2012 and influence the Party from within or you can sit on the sideline and have no impact. I understand the depth and loyality of Ron Paul supporters have and respect it. It is in your hands. Again, thank you for taking the time to write Hollywood Republican.

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      1. You ask: “can we really afford four more years of Obama?”

        No. But in my view, we can’t afford 4 years of Romney/Gingrich/Santorum either. My loyalty is not to the GOP. My loyalty is to the Constitution. No other issue is as important as that, and I will no longer sacrifice those principles for economics or any other issue. The only candidate I trust to actively follow the Constitution is Dr. Ron Paul. That’s why I will not be convinced to vote for anyone else.

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      2. This is where your logic fails; You can’t see through our eyes. You fear another four years of Obama. We fear another four years of increased government spending, increased government tyranny, bailouts, endless wars, etc etc. Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich guarantee all of these things will continue just as well as Obama does. In our eyes, they are one and the same.

        We can handle being sidelined for four years, and effectively sideline the GOP with us, if it delivers the message that we will not support a party that does not stand by it’s own stated principles. We will all have another chance to elect a true Republican come 2016 if that is the path this party chooses.

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      3. I’d also like to chime in here. These statements continue to demonstrate how little some of you understand the current political climate, or atleast Ron Paul supporters. We are not about a party, in fact we find this little “war” between you and the Democrats to be childish to say the least.

        I actually would rather there be 4 more years of Obama, if Romney gets in, nothing will change, and everyone will say “See, Capitalism is a failure”, atleast with 4yrs of Obama Socialist Democrats will get all the blame paving the way for Rand Paul to run and say “See, you should have listened to my father and all those ‘crazy’ Ron Paul supporters”. BTW, if you’re trying to win us over, a word of advice would be to stop calling us isolationists, we hate that term.

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          1. Which would be why I mentioned his son Rand who will be 52 in 2016, and I’m well aware of Ron’s age in THIS election, tell me, where have all these “youngsters” gotten us – endless wars, 15T in debt, record unemployment, sounds like it’s time to try something different wouldn’t you say?

      4. “Can we really afford four more years of Obama?”

        Please tell me how Obama is any different than Romney, Santorum or Gingrich on the 2 most important issues in this country: FOREIGN POLICY & MONETARY POLICY. I’ll give you a hint, they’re all the same WAR MONGERING, FASCIST, LYING, PANDERING, STATUS QUO politicians. Obama is the devil we already know.

        I will vote Ron Paul or not even bother to vote at all.

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      5. I’ll make my decision when the time comes, but can you tell me three important ways Romney is different than Obama? Honestly, Gingrich is a nonstarter here, I literally think he’s not a balanced person, and would be more worried to have him president than Obama, and that is saying something.

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      6. I am a 37 year old mother of 3. I voted for Bush and his “humble foreign policy”. I am not a democrat and am a member of my state’s republican party. My major concern is the shredding of the Constitution by both parties. Undeclared wars, TSA, NDAA, SOPA, PIPA, Patriot Act, and so many other infringements on our Constitutional rights that it has become impossible to count them all. I can only imagine how much worse it will be for my own kids when they’re my age. THAT is why only Ron Paul will have our vote. This citizens of this country have sat on the sidelines while our Constitution has been bleeding from a thousand tiny cuts and has become so irrelevant that someone who insists on following it is considered extreme, isolationist, outside of the mainstream, or whatever other label the labelmakers want to slap on Paul. The truth is that our retaining our rights is the most important thing we can do, it’s what has made this country great and losing them is what has put us in this downward spiral. Just look around us! What are we giving our kids? A country where they are sent off to wars on lies and nobody goes to prison for those lies? A country where politicians are bought and paid for? Where agencies that are there to protect us are staffed with representatives from the corporations that they’re supposed to protect us from? Where we lock up nonviolent people because the prison lobby has the money to push more laws and nobody cares that lives are being ruined? For what? How is this the home of the free? Or the free speech zones? And brave? Don’t make me laugh.

        Americans have become cowards, turning to govt to protect them from everything and willing to give up the rights of future generations because of their irrational fears. We need to focus on our problems at home because God knows we have enough of them. We’re hardly in a position to run around spending money borrowed on the backs of our children to tell others how to live and reshape the world in America’s image. Talk about a God complex. It’s just wrong. I will vote no one but Paul. Nothing will convince me because the others have proven records of corruption (that alone seals the deal). Since when does doing more of the same provide different results? And that’s all the repub party is offering, more of the same. We can’t afford more Obama but we can’t afford more of the same from the repubs, either. They aren’t getting our votes and disingenuous pandering isn’t going to cut it, we have drawn our line in the sand and it’s about time. We’ve let the repub party help run this country into the ground for too long. We won’t get fooled again and Paul is the only one we know, based on his LONG RECORD of consistency and morality, that isn’t out for power, isn’t in the pockets of lobbyists, and walks his walk. If he doesn’t get the nomination I will write him in. If the repubs want our votes then they have to nominate Paul. There isn’t a credible poll out there that shows they can win without us. Obama is ahead in almost every state. They need every single repub vote, MOST of the independent votes and even some crossover democrat votes to win. They isolate us and mock us and refuse to research Paul at the expense of our country. We have compromised with them for so many years, it’s time for them to be honorable and do the same.

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      7. In all seriousness what would be the difference between Obama, Mitt, Newt, and Santorum? The democrat congress will absolutely not work with them on the economy as they did previously as they see it as a game as you republicans do. At least Paul has credibility in economics and will show he is serious on spending. I can’t imagine congress would think that he would be playing chicken. They know he would be playing for keeps on the budget and the Constitution.
        “A Republican administration in 2013 will have several things going for it, not the least is heavy Tea Party influence”
        -Incorrect. The neo-conservative high jacking of the tea party effectively ended its political power as small government movement. Only the election of Ron Paul the only remaining Tea Party candidate would vindicate the movement. The rest of us who WERE part of the tea party have become disillusioned with its republican only support instead of small government support as seen with big government Newt Gingrich’s support from tea party groups. What happens when republican neocons have the presidency? There is no tea party movement.
        Do you forget how McConnell, McCain and Grahms and other similar republicans made a number of them capitulate on the debt ceiling?
        “a Presidential victory will mean a Republican Congress led not just the usual establishment but congressional leaders like Rand Paul, who will have more impact than free market conservatives will have in the past.”
        -Rand Paul is no Mitt, Newt, and Santorum and will obviously be trying to filibuster and try to regain freedoms which the three now known as “Neocon Candidates” (to save space) have shown all to quickly to attack. We can see no matter whom is in charge (Save Ron Paul), he will be in contention with. What is worse, Ron Paul if not nominated, will no longer be in Congress diminishing their intellectual strength as the voice on tea party issues.
        “You have a choice, you can either help the GOP wins in 2012 and influence the Party from within or you can sit on the sideline and have no impact”
        We HAVE tried to influence the GOP, and we have been sidelined, ignored, marginalized, attacked, and ridiculed. Do you think we will suddenly forget the mark levins, Limbaugh, hannity, o’rly vicious attacks? Your GOP party will wither and die in the future anyway as your retirees die off and the economy continues to wane without Austrian economic principles. We have nothing to gain from the GOP neocons winning either, as a defeat will at least show that neo-conservative agendas do not win elections. Real defenses of Liberty does. This will also permit Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson to run in 2016 instead of waiting till 2020. I do see Ron Paul running again if things get that bad.
        “Figure it this way, with the advent of the Tea Party, the comming collapse of the fiat currency system and the reality that serious people are once again talking about a dollar as solid as gold; much is coming in your direction.”
        -The collapse will completely discredit the neoconservative movement AND socialist movement. That understanding by the general electorate is more important in order to undo the damage caused by them. We can say, “you had it all your way twice and didn’t we tell you this would happen AGAIN? Twice we warned you, and you didn’t listen and you had ALL the political power you wanted.”
        “Sometimes in politics, it is better to garner a half of loaf than nothing.”
        -This isn’t “sometimes in politics”, we know what is coming with 16 Trillion in debt, and 64 Trillion in future federal liabilities and the dollar being used as a fire extinguisher. It is the establishment republicans that should have been scrambling for half a loaf. You all should have really just shut up and let us drive a bit before you resume your war against libertarianism. Now you will have to lay in the grave you dug.
        “ I won’t disagree that Ron Paul supporters can make a difference but don’t be under an illusion that Ron Paul can win without the rest of the conservative movement. Choice join a Free market coalition and become a player or sit on the sideline and see this country continue its decline from greatness to becoming another modern day Greece.”
        -We ARE the conservative movement. Do you mean the neocon movement? Neocons will vote for whoever the republican nominee is regardless of it being Ron Paul. All congress has to do is declare war and Ron Paul will give them their war. Ron Paul can bring together the war mongers if stated correctly.

        Nobody but Paul. I remind all liberty supporters we have NOTHING to lose if he is not nominated.

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      8. Can we stand four more years of Obama. No. But we will if we have to. Here is what you do not understand. We will go status quo no longer. We have tried that and it has failed. It will stop and it will stop now. I have been a Republican all of my life but I refuse to play the status quo any longer. Don’t blame us or RP if you loose the general election. Blame your self because you had a chance at putting the right man into office but you blew it.

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    2. Republicans better listen closely to the voters. I will say this, I have always voted a straight Republican ticket. NO MORE. I am voting for Ron Paul If I have to write him in. I will NEVER vote for Nute or Romney both big government people, with no clue, and no desire to REPRESENT US our constitution and our needs, but rather play power games, with big heads. Ron Paul is a doctor who took a oath to do no harm to his patients. Can any other candidate say the same?
      To have honesty in the White House what a CHANGE that would be!!!!. Needed change. So make Ron Paul the candidate so the republicans can win in a MASSIVE landslide over big government Obummer.

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    3. When I or anyone else tries to civilly discuss politics with a WrongPaulbot unfortunately it’s the same as talking to a wall. A wall built around the Ron Paul Cult that keeps all logic and true American history out.

      It is all “Dog Whistle” Newspeak they hear. When Ron Paul says “Constitution” it means something the total opposite of what it means to 98% of all other Americans. To them “Constitution” means pre Civil War Constitution before slaves and Native Americans were legally citizens with full rights under the true American Constitution.

      These Ronbots who claim to be Libertarians use the same anti American propaganda phrases that Communists use… “American Imperialists”

      That phrase is what American P.O.W. soldiers were brainwashed with in the Korean War. If Wrong Paul supporters were really on the right why do they mouth Communist propaganda?

      Only because they are Leftists who don’t care at all about civil rights for all Americans, just for their self appointed elite. To Leftists, Communist, Socialists, Fascists THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between Democrats and Republicans. Same Leftist propaganda in Russian 1917 and Germany 1934.

      Your talking to a wall. A Leftist Cult wall of self imposed ignorance. They love the lies they are spoon fed by Wrong Paul, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell… all fear mongers. They could no more vote for a Republican than you or I could vote for a Communist. Ronbots are so far removed from the Republican party they are even far left of the Democrats. What a shame but so it goes with all Cults. Brainwashed big time!

      They in their own way are advancing their Leftist political agenda, fascism, as much as Obama advances socialism. And neither fascism or socialism is of the “Constitution” or of America. The Wrong Paul dynasty supporters will always be relegated to far left fringe of conspiracy kooks, racists, fascists, anarchists.. and everything politically repulsive to most Americans.

      Republicans shouldn’t expect any support from the Ronbots, and as the primaries shown there isn’t much, but I’m voting Republican in November! I know the difference!

      Ron Paul is of the Left! The Left, fascism, socialism, communism… is WRONG!

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      1. You are mis-informed about Ron Paul and should do more research before you just throw accusations out that he is a left socialist etc.. You obviously have not read any of his books, or research his 12 term voting record in congress either. You must have been asleep during all of his speaches as well.

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  2. Frankly, there is no way to keep Ron Paul supporters without nominating Ron Paul. Ron Paul supporters range from true conservatives to libertarians to the young to the same independents that delivered an Obama win. The GOP can’t win without these votes and the only candidate bringing new people to the party is Ron Paul.

    At the end of the day, no matter what the GOP promises Ron Paul or his supporters, they won’t be trusted. All the other candidates have been on both sides of every issue…we won’t be lied into helping them win because we don’t see a difference between them and Obama.

    You’ve probably heard the story about the father who catches his son smoking, and instead of stopping him, makes him smoke the whole pack until he is sick and throwing up. Well, the general notion with Paul supporters is that this is what we need to do with the GOP. Until they deliver a true conservative who follows the constitution, we will vote against them or 3rd party until they are sick of losing and give in.

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    1. The day that the Ron Paul support grew to the point of throwing the election I knew it was all over for the Republican party. When Paul took third in Iowa, second in NH and fourth in SC I knew the fat lady had sung. This is about RP but it is also a movement, a movement that is not going to go away. The Republicans are beat but they will not admit it.

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  3. At this point I think it would be fair to say that an objective observer would have to conclude that the GOP cannot win without Ron Paul supporters.

    At the same time, none of the non-Paul candidates can attract those supporters, since those candidates are all pro-war, pro-police state (e.g. NDAA), pro-big government solutions.

    The essence of the liberty movement that Paul represents is a rejection of that kind of centralized, coercive and non-consensual decision-making process.

    In the meantime, Paul having been outvoted so often for so long means that there is no good “other” candidate that would attract Paul voters. He’s been alone in his quest for liberty for over a generation, it is only now that the American people are coming to understand and value the common-sense, all-American message he delivers. Paul, having believed in these things all along and demonstrated that with a 30+ year track record, is the only one that Paul voters can trust.

    Thus, “no one but Paul”. There is no substitute that would actually bring the necessary Paul supporters to the polls.

    The bottom line for the GOP is that if they do not nominate Ron Paul they may as well go ahead and nominate Barack Obama, as that is what we will end up with.

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    1. there is no trust of those in the government but for some reason Ron Paul stands out from the rest. Maybe because he alone seems to be able to tell the truth and actually stand for a set of principals. Without changing sides to get votes. So m,any poletitians after elected forget all of their promises Obummer certainly has. I think Ron Paul is very different. So I will vote for him even if the 1%ers have him killed before the election, to keep their power.

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  4. I should have waited few minutes before giving my response, so I will make this general. You can sit on the sideline or you can make an impact on both the Republican Party and the country or allow Obama win a second term, in which much of the damage will irreversible.

    Figure it this way, with the advent of the Tea Party, the comming collapse of the fiat currency system and the reality that serious people are once again talking about a dollar as solid as gold; much is coming in your direction.

    Sometimes in politics, it is better to garner a half of loaf than nothing. I won’t disagree that Ron Paul supporters can make a difference but don’t be under an illusion that Ron Paul can win without the rest of the conservative movement. Choice join a Free market coalition and become a player or sit on the sideline and see this country continue its decline from greatness to becoming another modern day Greece.

    I respect the libertarian movement and having worked in organizations that include many libertarians and Ron Paul supporters, I understand Dr. Paul goals. Again thank you for your time and civility.

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    1. Guess I’ll paste this down here since it is where you continued the discussion…

      This is where your logic fails; You can’t see through our eyes. You fear another four years of Obama. We fear another four years of increased government spending, increased government tyranny, bailouts, endless wars, etc etc. Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich guarantee all of these things will continue just as well as Obama does. In our eyes, they are one and the same.

      We can handle being sidelined for four years, and effectively sideline the GOP with us, if it delivers the message that we will not support a party that does not stand by it’s own stated principles. We will all have another chance to elect a true Republican come 2016 if that is the path this party chooses.

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    2. That is the option we were given in 2000. So we voted for Bush.

      And guess what? He lied to us on EVERYTHING we cared about. Every last thing. We got the worst of both worlds – Democrat policies (Johnson-like at home and Wilsonian abroad) – without a unified GOP to oppose them.

      There’s no trust left. If the rest of the GOP is serious about being committed to the Constitution, the rule of law, and human liberty, then this is the time to prove it, by backing Paul.

      If the GOP is really committed to defeating Obama, Paul is the ONLY vehicle available to that end. No other Republican can attract the wide swath of independents and Democrats necessary to rebuild the Reagan coalition and defeat Obama.

      The establishment GOP must decide what is more important – defeating Paul, or defeating Obama.

      There are no other options.

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    3. ” You can sit on the sideline or you can make an impact on both the Republican Party and the country or allow Obama win a second term, in which much of the damage will irreversible.”

      That’s actually an argument for making sure we get a majority in the Senate, as well as keeping out majority in the House – both of which might be a big problem if Newt is the nominee.

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    4. I understand that you fear another four years of Obama if Paul isn’t the nominee. What I fear is a possible eight of Romney or Gingrich. I would rather suffer another four of Obama. I don’t see how Romney or Gingrich would be any different than Obama. In fact I think Gingrich would be worse. Romney would be about the same. If Paul isn’t the nominee I will sit this election out and hope his son, Rand, runs in 2016.

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    5. kenny,colorado delegate · Edit

      romney,newt and santorum are obama republicans. We will not vote for obama republicans aka status quo. Are you saying newt,romney and santorum are not obama republicans? Their records prove they are biggovgop spending republicans aka obama republicans.

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    6. I can not see your point. You say we can not stand another four years of Obama. Then why don’t you vote for RP? Oh because he can not win. He can not win because you think he can not win. You know you can win also with Romney or Newt. Why not vote RP in the primary and then vote for who ever gets the GOP nomination. I bet you will not even do that. I will vote RP in the primary’s and if he looses then I will sit out the general election. Enough is enough. You are given me a choice but I will give you none. Sorry but is my way or the high way.

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  5. I was one of the original summer of 2007 Ron Paul grassroots who kick started a massive movement with great goals in mind such as auditing the Federal Reserve (TAKE IN MIND THIS WAS BEFORE THE CRASHES that everyone ignored Ron Paul on).We were dedicated to one cause, restoring the u.s. constitution and stripping the federal government of its unwarranted illegal powers obtained under the last 10 years of presidencies. Ron Paul is the last statesman, and for this he is able to pull in voters of all walks of life and no candidate will be able to compete with that aspect of his candidacy. The movement has quadrupled within a matter of 4 years in 3 primary states. If you think for one moment that we give a damn about the color RED above the u.s. constitution you got yourself confused sir. We are americans first.

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  6. If the GOP wants my vote, they will need to nominate Ron Paul. That’s it. Not only do I not trust the other three, I don’t even buy what they’re selling.

    As for Obama? Yes, he’s terrible. But so are Santorum, Romney, and Gingrich. More to the point, nominating any of those 3 is absolutely handing the election to Obama, because only Ron Paul will garner the Independent and crossover support to win.

    Some people note that Republicans agree with Ron Paul on fiscal policy, whereas Democrats agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy. Ron Paul, in actuality, sides with the Constitution at all times. Has it crossed your mind that perhaps the Republican party is wrong, and that the trillions spent on policing the world is money wasted. And perhaps the Democratic Party is also wrong, and that the entitlement program is destroying this country?

    Ron Paul stands for civil liberties, true fiscal conservatism and balanced budgets, and saving our dollar before it completely collapses.

    Anyone that supports Ron Paul does so because they’ve researched him fully, they understand him, and they agree with him. And once you understand Ron Paul, you could never, ever even consider voting for men like Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich, all of whom represent pandering and big government spending at the expense of the Constitution.

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    1. Ron Paul supporter seem to understand economics better than other candidate supporters. They have also researched the problems plaguing this country and they know what the fix is and that is Ron Paul. They know that this mess has to be confronted and it has to be confronted now, not tomorrow. If we have to go through another four years of Obama to finally fix this mess in 2016 then so be it. But for the Getrich, Robme and Sanatorum voters, you do not have to go through the suffering, all you need to do is vote RP.

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  7. Tom, I think you are missing that the democrats and GOP are different sides of the same coin, controlled opposition. The “teams” may change but the goals and outcomes remain the same, i.e. both parties support the NDAA Section 1031, which is a total evisceration of our Constitutional rights as well as rights reaching all the way back to the Magna Carta in 1215. Or how both parties supported the banker bailouts and continue to sanction activities such as POMO. The populace has become so brainwashed that they cheer the assassination of American citizens without so much as charges being brought to bear let alone a trial by jury.

    Ron has demonstrated over a 30 year career that he always votes in line with the Constitution.

    Newt and Mitt are no different than Obama at the end of the day… banker owned puppets.

    If Ron is not the nominee the GOP will not have our votes and they will lose to Obama.

    Our currency will not survive another 4 years without Ron at the helm, it is that simple.

    No one but Ron!

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  8. The establishment GOP must decide what is more important – defeating Paul, or defeating Obama.

    There are no other options.

    I copied that from Bob Dobbs above, because that sums it up. Who in their right mind would trust what Romney or Gingrich are saying, given their records?

    Sophie’s Choice, Republicans: Ron Paul or Obama.

    Maybe one of you Hollywood types can get that message back to DC for us. They don’t seem to be listening very well.

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  9. Hi Frank,

    There’s not much chance the GOP will be able to capture the Ron Paul voters for a couple of reasons. First, lip service aside, the party has shown no interest in actually supporting any of the Paul platform. Second, the party has spent the last 5 years telling the Paul supporters that they’re not real Republicans, so a good many of us will happily and smugly enjoy watching them suddenly realize that they can’t win an election without us.

    The GOP has become too liberal. They start wars, they make government bigger, and they spend too much money, all while refusing to accept any responsibility for the failures they leave in their wake. They’ve lost touch with middle America, as the 2006 and 2008 elections proved, and until they’re ready to embrace hard core traditional conservatism again, there’s just no point in rewarding them with power.

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    1. kenny,colorado delegate · Edit

      I have to comment here because the actions of the unethical colorado gop back in 2008 will be remembered in 2012 especially by this colorado delegate! We were 1/3 of the gop back in 2008 and we got one delegate(what happened at the colorado convention was pure status quo corruption) email me if you want details. NO ONE BUT PAUL is our reminder. The Colorado gop will nominate Ron Paul or elect obama/romney status quo

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  10. You have written an interesting article Tom and I will share my thoughts. I am a voter that values my integrity, the Republic and the Constitution more than the GOP. The Republican party has one chance to earn my vote in the general election and that is with Ron Paul as the nominee.

    Not only is voting for Romney/Gingrich/Santorum a repulsive thought, it would be completely counterproductive to restoring our Republic. If Obama wins in 2012, we will have a new chance in 2016. If we elected Romney in 2012, we could not be rid of him until 2020 and by then the Democrats will probably regain power.

    I would much rather defeat the Marxists in 2016 than be forced to wait until 2028. Can we really afford 8-16 more years of the status quo?

    No One But PAUL!

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  11. I appreciate most of your article, but you really do need to learn the difference between Isolationism and Non-Interventionism. Ron Paul isn’t an Isolationist, Isolationist Foreign Policy is the foreign policy where diplomacy is not an option, and you sanction every country that disagrees with you. That’s true isolationism, by refusing to communicate and reason.

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy is about restoring American Exceptionalism. American Exceptionalism only exists, when you befriend, trade, and not bomb other countries. America is only Exceptional when it is loved, and it isn’t across the world right now. We need to learn to reflect on ourselves as a nation and Americans, and learn to view ourselves through the eyes of others in the world. If you can’t win their hearts and their trade, then respect their wishes. We were taught as children to learn to respect even your enemies. It doesn’t mean we have to pander to other nations, it just means we strive to make allies of all nationalities. You obtain this through diplomatic resolution and peace. We’ve been conditioned to believe that peace is a myth, and this is a false notion.

    Ron Paul supporters will not budge from Ron Paul, if he isn’t the nominee. I’m a life-long Republican and Conservative, but even I can see that Ron Paul is the real deal. I’m loyal to my conservative values, but I’m not loyal to the party. I don’t let others persuade me to support the GOP Candidate. This isn’t the National Football League where I’m forced to cheer for my home-team. The Constitution is a higher patriotic and moral standard, than towing the party line. That’s why Ron Paul supporters won’t budge, and that’s why his crowd is so diverse. It’s diverse because we don’t have loyalty to a party, we’re loyal to what makes us the country we claim to be–Liberty, Freedom, and the US Constitution.

    Yes, Obama is a big threat, all the Ron Paul supporters know it. But we also know, that if we can’t have a Constitutional Government, then we will have to keep fighting. The nation will fall into further tyranny if Ron Paul isn’t the nominee, and the worst it gets, the more people will awaken to our movement. The revolution is here now, we’re just doing it peacefully instead of violently. But mark my words, if we do not resolve this now by voting in Ron Paul or a ideologically paralleled candidate, the alternative way to restore this country will be far more difficult.

    Do you want it the easy way, or the hard way?

    Support Ron Paul, it’s your last chance before we have to do it the more difficult way.

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  12. See, this is the problem with the logic of this article:

    Ron Paul supporters will not and cannot support Gingrich/Santorum/Romney because they all have the same philosophy of government as Obama: statism.

    All of them in some shape or form believe that government, if managed correctly and with the correct (i.e. “Republican”) policies, is the solution to our problems in this country. They are what many call “RINO’s”, I simply call them “Progressive” in some manner or form. Paul is the ONLY one who is not a Progressive statist, period. He is the only one with the record to back it up.

    I have no loyalty to a party, I have loyalty to my country and our country’s legal basis is the Constitution and that Constitution has/had an original intent and so did the Founding Fathers. They gave us a Federal government with limited, enumerated powers, not an all powerful government that mandates everything from the top. All the other candidates either 1.) ignore and show contempt for the Constitution and original intent of the Founders (Romney and Gingrich supporting individual mandates, Patriot Act, Romney supporting NDAA, Gingrich supporting the drug war and the death penalty for one ounce of pot, Santorum believing the Federal government can tell you who to have sex with (or not) in your own bedroom, forcing morals down everyone’s throat at the Federal level, etc. etc.). or 2.) they just want to increase spending, and the accumulation of power in Washington, either through the welfare state (Gingrich/Santorum on Medicare Part D) or the warfare state (war with everyone in sight). Both of these things by the way are tenets of the early Progressive movement, not conservatism.

    So in conclusion, since Dr. Paul is the ONLY candidate who cares about the Founders’ intent, the Constitution, the rule of law, and fiscal sanity, he is the only one who gets my vote.

    Plus, the GOP has done nothing for 4 years except smear Dr. Paul and his supporters, call him “crazy”, “cooky” and everything else under the sun, ignore him and even stole delegates from him in 2008 after spending a year laughing at him and his supporters. So frankly, the GOP deserves to lose, they lost their way – bad.

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  13. Ron Paul supporter here. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination, Obama has a 100% chance of winning a second term.

    No Ron Paul supporters will vote for Romney, Grinrich, Sanctorum. Those are a big government pro-war corporatist politicians who are no different than Obama aside from social issues. They have the same foreign policy, economic, civil liberty policies as Obama.

    All Ron Paul supporters agree with me. Either vote Ron Paul for the Republican nomination, your vote Obama because the GOP cannot beat Obama with Ron Paul’s support base and RP’s supporters will NOT vote for anyone but Ron Paul (and Gary Johnson)

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  14. I am a Paul supporter, and I would be willing to vote for the nominee, in a fair race. As it stands, it hasn’t been a fair race. The news and pundits have all blacked out my candidate, they have refused to mention him. They have given him the least amount of time in any debate. They have not given the American people a fair chance to listen to his platform and his ideas. They constantly call him unelectable even though he polls better against Obama with independents. And that makes me, and other Paul supporters angry. If the Republican Party wants to treat us as outsiders and fringe, then we won’t play along when they push our candidate out of the race. Now, if the American people were given a real opportunity to hear out Ron Paul’s ideas and platform and they still didn’t agree with him, then I would choose the candidate that aligns closest to my ideal candidate, and that would most likely be the Republican.

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  15. Without even realizing it, the author of this article has effectively shown exactly the reason why the GOP can not hope to attract Ron Paul supporters without Ron Paul. We do not believe in “Isolationism”, in fact, we believe quite the opposite. Under a Ron Paul presidency, the US would be less isolated than we have in many decades. A Ron Paul presidency would end multiple unjust foreign wars, blanket bombings of countries that have done nothing to us, an end to ridiculous trade embargos, and would encourage the type of atmosphere which could lead to positive relations with foreign nations, rather than trying to be the bully on the lock. Bombing other countries does not promote national security, it actually hurts it, by encouraging blowback from nations that otherwise have no reason to want to harm us. For years now, politicians from both sides have worked to rob Americans of our money, our civil liberties, and our security. With the exception of Dr. Paul, every other candidate for the executive office has stated on numerous occasions that they are enthusiastic about continuing down this dangerous path, and have in fact criticized and ridiculed Dr. Paul for being the only candidate offering real solutions. You say that four more years of Obama is unacceptable, and Ron Paul supporters agree. Where we disagree however is that party line Republicans believe that a GOP candidate who offers no significant differences from our current failure-in-chief is somehow better just because he’s got that little (R) by his name. Paul supporters see past the thin veneer of party line propaganda and realize that for true change to occur, someone needs to rise with real answers. That candidate is Ron Paul. If he wins, you will have no problems attracting Ron Paul supporters. If anyone else gets the nomination, that is fine, but don’t expect us to sell out our principles and vote for someone who is the antithesis of our principles. You say a party line Republican is the lesser of two evils, I say they are still evil. Thank you for your time.

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  16. The mounting desperation of the oligarchs is palpable. They have circled the wagons as one of their leaders – Jon Corzine – was caught stealing $1.2 billion directly from the accounts of his customers after making reckless bets that went wrong and bankrupted his firm. The Department of Homeland Security coordinated brutality unleashed upon peaceful protestors in cities across America opened the eyes of more people to the approach of an increasingly oppressive state. The media lapdogs have come out in force with an organized smear campaign designed to derail the presidential campaign of Ron Paul, the only candidate talking about real change and a real downsizing of the American empire. Ron Paul’s platform of liberty, freedom, non-interventionism, sound money, and a government not controlled by bankers and corporate interests is anathema to the ruling elite of both parties. A vote for one of the hand selected candidates offered by the moneyed interests is simply a vote for the special interest status quo. As our economic system becomes more saturated with debt by the day a tipping point approaches.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-paychecks-perception-propaganda-power

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  17. Yet another Paul supporter here, I agree with the above commenters that we do see Romney/Gingrich/Santorum as three more Obamas.

    I am willing to compromise quite a bit but not at the cost of voting for someone who will do more to perpetuate the status quo and grow government, than to restore liberty and reduce government both domestically and overseas. Until the republican party figures this out, they will not be able to capture millions of voters who have had enough of it.

    It will be interesting to see what the nominee will do to win over our votes. I don’t expect them to do much, but I’ll be watching for it.

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  18. I am approaching 40, grew up in a democrat household, and registered Republican in 2008 in order to vote for Dr. Paul.

    I will vote for Ron Paul. Period. Even if I have to write him in.

    And as for the rest of the candidates, it means little to nothing to me which other of the elitist corporate bought and sold puppet empty suits run. They will never get a dime from me nor my vote. Especially Newt, the poster boy of what is wrong with Washington DC.

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  19. America is forgetting what made this nation great. Freedom and Liberty. Laws like NDAA, SOPA, and PIPA are unamerican.

    We love our Freedom and we love our constitution.

    Ron Paul or no one else.

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  20. BTW, On January 12th, I wrote a piece on the Gold Standard. I would expect those of you have responded will enjoy it. So go back read and come back to Hollywood Republican. We not agree but we do enjoy a lively debate.

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  21. Obama = Romney = Newt = Santorum.

    If with this kind of sweet talk, you think you can win over Paul supporters, you don’t know us yet. For us, there is no difference between Obama and Romney and Newt and Santorum. It’s all status quo. And you want us to “fall in line”? No, thanks.

    No One But Paul.

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  22. Sorry I won’t support the GOP nominee if it isn’t Paul. I will vote for another third party or independent candidate if Paul isn’t running.

    Reason being is that the GOP establishment are big spenders just like Obama is. The Bush administration and the GOP congress that rubber stamped his atrocious spending is proof enough that all Republicans besides the one who’s record gives him the name “Dr. No” are the same.

    Another reason is because it is almost impossible to mount a primary challenge. Bush and Obama both automatically got renominated despite both of them breaking campaign promises and spending us into oblivion. That means if Romney or Gingrich gets the nomination we are stuck with a big spending Bush clone and the only potential alternative will be another big spending Democrat.

    In that case I would rather see Obama win so at least we could try again in 4 years to get a real limited government freedom candidate elected.

    Here is more ways Obama, Romney, and Gingrich are the same.

    Aggressive foreign policy leading to potential war with Iran and other entanglements like Libya.

    Support for the Federal Reserve and “Helicopter” Ben Bernanke”

    Support for Wall Street criminals with no prosecution, no strings attached bailouts, and low interest.

    Support for a police state. NDAA, Patriot Act, assignations, torture, GITMO.

    Anti internet bills like ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, and whatever other BS they come up with next.

    How are they different again?

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    1. Also should add that all three still support the man-made global warming conspiracy theories that have been debunked and exposed over the past few years. They will impose carbon tax and cap and trade and other measures if given the chance

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  23. You have the gall to insult us and call us isolationist without even understanding what that word means then ask us to support your disgusting neocon puppets playing this stupid game of lesser evils?

    Ron Paul cannot be bought and neither can we.

    It’s Paul or NOTHING.
    Enjoy your GOP collapse.
    The REAL Conservative/Libertarian wing of the Republican party is the fastest and only growing parts of the party.

    Never forget what Ronald Reagan said about Libertarianism either, it is the heart of actual Conservativism. Barry Goldwater(R.I.P) and Barry Goldwater Jr. supports Ron Paul. You neocons wouldn’t understand that, with you all being a bunch of chickenhawk rejects.

    Finally, it’s more than the young vote Paul has. It’s the veteran vote he has locked up; Veterans like myself that fought for this nation but refuse to accept that idiotic neocon foreign policy, domestic policy, and especially economics when they don’t understand the consequences or blowback of their actions.

    We WILL take the Republican party back for real Conservatives and Libertarians before you neocons hijacked it and destroyed America.
    GIVE IT BACK OR NEVER WIN AGAIN

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    1. We are witnessing history right before our very eyes. The GOP is tanking big time. They have two choices. One change directions or two crash and burn and never win another election. Ron Paul is a movement make no mistake about that. They have now taken the steering wheel away from the GOP and there is only one way they will give it back. I think we all know what that is.

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  24. kenny,colorado delegate · Edit

    NOBP,No One But Paul. Interesting Read as a Colorado Voter , I only see 2 choices in the gop primary. Ron Paul vs Status Quo(romney,newt,santorum) I would gladly support another republican if they were not status quo and they were against NDAA,PIPA,SOPA,Undeclared illegal wars and against the failed drug war. Only one candidate is against what i said above and wants to cut spending and balance the budget. The status quo will not cut a dime just like Ron Paul has said. The Status quo cannot be trusted. My wife voted for Obama and joined the gop to support Ron Paul.
    If the gop does not nominate Ron Paul. She will vote against the failed gop. As my wife said 4 more years of obama is better then 16 yrs of biggovgop status quo. Me and My wife and family will vote 3rd party before we vote for an obama republican(newt,romney,santorum). NO ONE BUT PAUL vs Status Quo!!! The ? should be who will i vote for if the gop does not nominate Ron Paul? I surely will not vote for obama republicans or obama one in the same. If the gop does not nominate Ron Paul. The gop should run obama/romney 2012 status quo
    bottom line, it is a 2 way race, Ron Paul vs Obama/Romney(status quo) bendover for Status Quo biggovgop.

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  25. Obama, Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney all supported NDAA (americans can be detained or killed without trial). They all supported Medicare part D (massive increase in domestic spending). They all support the Patriot act (destroying the 4th amendment), as well as the TSA and other massive new unaccountable government “security” bureaucracies. All but Santorum support the individual mandate, and carbon caps. All of them support continuing the massively counterproductive and deadly war on drugs. All of them support starting wars and aggressively invading countries overseas. All of them have anti-gun records (B-, C, D-, and F, respectively, by GOA, and Santorum refused to respond to their questionnaire). None of them have a plan to cut any significant amount of spending. None of them are talking about ending federal departments.

    All of them have a long record of voting for more spending, not less — especially Santorum and Gingrich. The fact that either of them have the hutzpah to call themselves conservative is a complete joke. Check out notonewt.com for a brief history of his voting record — and Santorum went right along with Bush’s huge expansions of government, both domestically and overseas.

    They may package themselves differently, but they’re all the same, if you look at their records.

    I voted for Bush twice, but I’m never voting for a big government “conservative” again. They grow government every bit as fast as democrats.

    Thanks to the author for reading and responding to comments, btw.

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  26. I didn’t even get into the TARP bailouts, which they all supported, other than Santorum. How I’m supposed to consider anyone conservative who supported extorting nearly a trillion dollars from taxpayers, to hand to well connected banks, I don’t know.

    Read a candidate’s record if you really want to know what they’re going to do. They’ll say anything to get elected — as we’ve seen from the last two presidents.

    Johnson will probably get my vote, if RP doesn’t get the nomination.

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  27. I believe the reasons the Paul wing of the republican party spliting off have been pretty well covered but I will add a few things. First off there is a lot of democrats, independents, libertarians in the Paul movement but don’t ever kid yourself that is all. There are many and I would say the majority that are old republican voters. The first groups I mentioned may not have ever voted republican in the past so republican leader can feel easy that they can win without them as has been proved in the past. But the republicans can’t win without voters like me that has voted republican since 1980. Do not kid yourself that the congressional midterm spells great victory for the republicans. I voted republican but only because I wanted partisan gridlock in Washington not because I felt the republicans were going to institute an agenda I agreed with. I will be sitting on the sidelines in the fall and the term “Isolationism” thrown at Paul reinforces this resolve.

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  28. kenny,colorado delegate · Edit

    shared and liked this story so other republicans and colorado republicans could see this story. I believe this story might awaken the gop on why they better nominate Ron Paul and stop the media/status quo corruption.

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  29. You keep referring to the Tea Party being able to make a difference if one of the non-Paul candidates happens to get the nomination, and less likely, with the general election. From a Paul supporter’s standpoint there really is no difference in the “Tea Party” and the GOP who opposed us last cycle. We started the concept of the “tea party” and then it was adopted as the battle cry of a completely differently represented faction in the GOP. To me, GOP and Tea Party are synonymous, especially in light of the fact that they are backing Gingrich who is just plain unstable. There are scattered tea party groups who do support Ron Paul, but they are in the minority.

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  30. I’ve already had the “a vote for anyone other than the GOP nominee is the same as voting for Obama” line thrown at me. So now it will be called “sitting on the sidelines”. Let me tell you something. I have spent the past 5 years ACTIVELY campaigning for liberty AND Ron Paul. There is no way I’ll let someone accuse me of “sitting on the sidelines” when I’ve done more to advance the cause of liberty and to re-educate American citizens on the danger of a government grown entirely too large than I’ll bet you sir have done in the entirety of your lifetime. Sitting on the sidelines… HA, what an insult to me and my fellow Ron Paul supporters who have worked tirelessly to do everything we could to warn America of what was coming.

    And, to insult me by saying my vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Please, we’re both intelligent enough to understand THAT line for what it is, an attempt to “guilt” me into voting for any of the potential other 3 GOP big government fiends.

    I’ll state plainly what has been stated so plainly and eloquently by my fellow countrymen above. I see absolutely no difference in voting for Obama, Romney, Newt or Santorum. And you know, how many times before have Americans been duped into voting for this or that President in order to roll back some previous big government plan with the results being either no change at all or, even worse, even bigger and more expensive government plans put into place.

    No thank you, I’ve been duped enough in my lifetime. From here on out whether the candidate is Ron Paul or someone else with the RECORD TO PROVE they are trustworthy, you can keep your empty big government threats if I don’t vote for so and so to yourself. Sorry, there just isn’t any trust left and contrary to what seems to be popular belief. Americans ARE a whole lot smarter than our “overlords” seem to believe we are. In other words, stop blaming “Ron Paul” supporters for the obvious failure of the Republican party to not only stick to true conservative values but also a complete divergence from its own stated platform.

    Good luck without the Ron Paul wing. At the very least, hopefully I’ll get the chance to vote for his son in 2016.

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  31. I am a female baby boomer who will vote no one but Paul If he isn’t elected it won’t matter because all of the others will continue the same policies of endless war and shredding the Constitution. Newt wants to militarize space. Its a race to be the drone bomber in chief for all but Ron Paul.

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  32. Here is the problem. Obama is a bad president not because he is different from our last republican president George W. Bush, but rather is he a black democratic version of George W. Bush. Both Bush and Obama ran up record debt. Both have massively increased entitlements, Bush through Medicare part D and Obama through Obamacare. Both supported bailouts to private industry. Both have supported an expansionist foreign policy that eshews the checks and balances of congress and that is helping to bankrupt this nation. Both have relied on the federal reserve madly printing more money to sustain their unsustainable welfare/warefare states. Both have been HORRIBLE on civil liberties. The gropings of the TSA started under Bush and have accelerated under Obama.

    Ron Paul is the only candidate I see that is committed to rolling back the Bush/Obama years. So no other GOP candidate could get my vote.

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  33. To answer your question, in all seriousness what would be the difference between Obama, Mitt, Newt, and Santorum? The democrat congress will absolutely not work with them on the economy as they did previously as they see it as a game as you republicans do. At least Paul has credibility in economics and will show he is serious on spending. I can’t imagine congress would think that he would be playing chicken. They know he would be playing for keeps on the budget and the Constitution.
    “A Republican administration in 2013 will have several things going for it, not the least is heavy Tea Party influence”
    -Incorrect. The neo-conservative high jacking of the tea party effectively ended its political power as small government movement. Only the election of Ron Paul the only remaining Tea Party candidate would vindicate the movement. The rest of us who WERE part of the tea party have become disillusioned with its republican only support instead of small government support as seen with big government Newt Gingrich’s support from tea party groups. What happens when republican neocons have the presidency? There is no tea party movement.
    Do you forget how McConnell, McCain and Grahms and other similar republicans made a number of them capitulate on the debt ceiling?
    “a Presidential victory will mean a Republican Congress led not just the usual establishment but congressional leaders like Rand Paul, who will have more impact than free market conservatives will have in the past.”
    -Rand Paul is no Mitt, Newt, and Santorum and will obviously be trying to filibuster and try to regain freedoms which the three now known as “Neocon Candidates” (to save space) have shown all to quickly to attack. We can see no matter whom is in charge (Save Ron Paul), he will be in contention with. What is worse, Ron Paul if not nominated, will no longer be in Congress diminishing their intellectual strength as the voice on tea party issues.
    “You have a choice, you can either help the GOP wins in 2012 and influence the Party from within or you can sit on the sideline and have no impact”
    We HAVE tried to influence the GOP, and we have been sidelined, ignored, marginalized, attacked, and ridiculed. Do you think we will suddenly forget the mark levins, Limbaugh, hannity, o’rly vicious attacks? The choice you proposed is not the choice we actually see. Your GOP party will wither and die in the future anyway as your retirees die off and the economy continues to wane without Austrian economic principles. We have nothing to gain from the GOP neocons winning either, as a defeat will at least show that neo-conservative agendas do not win elections. Real defenses of Liberty does. This will also permit Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson to run in 2016 instead of waiting till 2020. I do see Ron Paul running again if things get that bad.
    “Figure it this way, with the advent of the Tea Party, the comming collapse of the fiat currency system and the reality that serious people are once again talking about a dollar as solid as gold; much is coming in your direction.”
    -The collapse will completely discredit the neoconservative movement AND socialist movement. That understanding by the general electorate is more important in order to undo the damage caused by them. We can say, “you had it all your way twice and didn’t we tell you this would happen AGAIN? Twice we warned you, and you didn’t listen and you had ALL the political power you wanted.”
    “Sometimes in politics, it is better to garner a half of loaf than nothing.”
    -This isn’t “sometimes in politics”, we know what is coming with 16 Trillion in debt, and 64 Trillion in future federal liabilities and the dollar being used as a fire extinguisher. It is the establishment republicans that should have been scrambling for half a loaf. You all should have really just shut up and let us drive a bit before you resume your war against libertarianism. Now you will have to lay in the grave you dug.
    “I won’t disagree that Ron Paul supporters can make a difference but don’t be under an illusion that Ron Paul can win without the rest of the conservative movement. Choice join a Free market coalition and become a player or sit on the sideline and see this country continue its decline from greatness to becoming another modern day Greece.”
    -We ARE the conservative movement. Do you mean the neocon movement? Neocons will vote for whoever the republican nominee is regardless of it being Ron Paul. The saying goes “Anybody but Obama” which includes Ron Paul as an option. We say NOBODY but Paul. That means what you think it means. All congress has to do is declare war and Ron Paul will give them their war. Ron Paul can bring together the war mongers if stated correctly.
    I remind all liberty supporters we have NOTHING to lose if he is not nominated.

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    1. Oh, and by the way “see this country continue its decline from greatness to becoming another modern day Greece.”

      We will see that transpire anyway unless Paul is President. Only he is serious enough to do a few critical things the other candidates are completely unaware of and if they were would be to chicken to execute:

      1. Scare the Fed enough to Paul Volker those almost non-existant interest rates and discredit Bernenke and Greenspan think. Look a the news with the Fed, they are resuming low interest rates now that they think Paul is not going to get the nomination.

      2. Seriously force Congress to fight over the budget with trillions of dollars in cuts approved by the general electorate.

      3. Immediately end ridiculous sums of spending by executive branch.

      Greece, here we come. But Ron Paul supporters are actually ready with enough precious coins, food, and guns to not be bothered if things get out of hand.

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      1. Funny you should say that. I never give it much thought but I have four AK-47’s, a tractor and some land. I also have silver. And I know how to make tree rat dumplings. I was raised on them. 🙂 I am also a RP supporter.

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  34. I don’t believe we will have a chance to vote in 4 years, I am not sure we will get to this year, if we have 4 more years of Obama and a Democratic lead legislature we will see the end of liberty and be in full blown tyranny by then. I do not like any of the choices we have but know that we can’t do 4 more years of what we have now. Obama must go and we have to join together to make that happen, I will happy to vote for Paul if he is the nominee but I will not risk the chance that Obama wins.

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    1. My friend I know you are sincere in what you say. And I do not disagree with you completely. But what we all need to understand is we are going to face the same ordeal if we get Obama or status quo. This country is in really bad shape, not enough room to explain here, just take my word for it. We have to make a hard about face and we have to do it now. Obama or Status quo both will toast the country.

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  35. Here is what I do not understand. Lets just say for the sake of it that if RP does not get the nomination then there is a chance that the GOP candidate will get beat by Obama. Now I don’t think it is a chance, I think it is and absolute. But for now lets just stay with “chance”. So why take a chance? Why not vote RP in the primary and then if he does not win and you must vote for your favorite snake poison you can. What have you got to loose. As for myself I play to win. If you do not do this then you have completely loss sight of reality.

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