Birther Questions & Answers

Tim Ross
April 25, 2011 Posted by Tim Ross MrTim29@ymail.com

This past weekend millions of Americans celebrated Easter, a day filled with colored eggs and chocolate bunny rabbits… otherwise known as the day that Jesus rose from the dead.  Something else that rose from the dead this weekend was the issue of President Obama’s birth certificate.  On Saturday morning, the Associated Press released an article titled, “In Hawaii, Accessing Some Obama Birth Info Is Easy,” in which the author suggests that that just about anyone can walk into Hawaii’s vital records office and see Obama’s birth certificate information, or someone with a tangible interest could pay $10 to receive a copy of the Obama’s certification of live birth.  According to the author of the article, problem solved… everyone who suggests otherwise is a crazy “birther,” right?  Well, not so fast there Associated Press…


I am so tired of arguing with uneducated people on the facts of this topic, that I decide that I would compile the information in an easy to use format.

TOPIC: Who are Birthers?
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Conspiracy theorists, Tea Party activists, crazy Republicans
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Skeptics over President Barack Obama’s citizenship
FACT: People, of all political backgrounds, who believe that Barack Obama is ineligible for the Presidency of the United States based on questions surrounding his citizenship

TOPIC: Where did the Birther movement begin?
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: From rumormongers, prior to the 2008 election, who were disappointed that Americans were not buying that Obama was Muslim, so they assigned his place of birth as questionable in order to sway the election.
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: They can’t necessarily point to where the movement began.  According to polling data, Republicans initially did not question Obama’s birth status; however, as time has marched on more Republicans are beginning to question his status.  The latest New York Times-CBS News poll found that 45% of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22% said they don’t know. Only one-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born. The same poll a year ago found that a plurality of Republicans believed the president was born in the U.S.
FACT: Obama’s birth certificate initially became an issue during the Democratic Primary in early 2008 when Hillary Clinton supporters, from a blog called The Blue State, began questioning Obama’s eligibility to be President.


TOPIC: Obama has made public his birth certificate.
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Obama said, “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead.”
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Obama is not showing his real birth certificate
FACT:  Hawaii has two ways to “prove” citizenship. One way is by producing the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, which is the short form computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth that can be printed out at any time.  The other way of proving citizenship is by producing a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, which is the long form original birth certificate document produced at the time of birth with the name of the hospital, hand written dates, signatures of the doctor, the registrar, the director of health, and the state registrar.  Obama has not produced his Certificate of Live Birth.


TOPIC: Why does Obama’s birth place even matter?
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: The question is moot because he was born in Hawaii.
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a ”natural-born” citizen.  Furthermore, his father had British/Kenyan citizenship.
FACT: As per Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution it states, “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”  A naturalized citizen, whether naturalized “at birth” or after birth, is not so eligible. In other words, anyone who is born in the United States, of parents who are U.S. citizens, is definitely, without doubt, a natural born citizen.  Therefore, Obama would 100% be required to be born in the United States in order to be eligible for President.

TOPIC: Obama’s true birthplace
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Obama was born in Hawaii
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia
FACT: According to the Certification of Live Birth, Hawaii has Obama in their system as being born in Honolulu.  Because of Hawaii’s permeable system, many foreign born people and/or relatives of foreign born people sought and received U.S. citizenship via Hawaiian birth certificates up until 1972.  Until the actual Certificate of Live Birth is produced and inspected, nobody can say with 100% certainty they know where Obama was born… not even Barack himself.

TOPIC: The Nordyke Twins born a day later than Obama, received lower file numbers
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: The Nordyke twins got lower lower number because they possibly took longer to deliver than Obama.
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Birth Certificates issued to the Nordyke twins shows their registrations number precedes the number given to Obama, even though Obama was born a day earlier.
FACT: The birth certificates issued by Kapi’olani shows Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.  Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.  However, Obama was given a higher registration number, No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, than the Nordyke twins, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.  Although born a day later, Obama was entered into the system on August 8th whereas those born a day later were entered in the system on August 11th.

TOPIC: How did Obama get in Hawaii’s system?
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Obama was born in Honolulu and a birth certificate was issued upon birth and entered into their system three days later.
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Upon learning of his birth, Obama’s grandparents, who were living in Hawaii at the time, filled out an application, presented it to a representative to the Secretary of Hawaii and swore a witness testimony that he was born in the Honolulu.  It was entered on August 8th.
FACT: Due to the fact that the Hawaiian Islands are home to many Polynesian indigenous people whose customs and traditions did not include western medicine and hospitals, and the fact that many did not live in close proximity to hospitals, the state made it possible for those born in Hawaii to later obtain birth certificates.  Unfortunately, this made it was possible for foreign born people to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate simply by submitting an Affidavit to the Office of the Secretary stating they were born in Hawaii.  This was most famously done by Chinese born Sun Yat-Sen, who would later become the Founding Father of Republican China.  This practice evolved and in 1911 became a law that allowed foreign born person to be registered as though they were born in Hawaii.  All that was required was to simply fill out an application, be presented to a representative to the Secretary of Hawaii and have a witness testimony that could include family and friends.  The practice continued until 1972.  Obama is in the system either because he was actually born in Hawaii or his grandparents submitted an application on his behalf to the Secretary of Hawaii and swore a witness testimony that he was born in the Honolulu.  Since Obama refuses to produce his Certificate of Live Birth for inspection, nobody can say with 100% certainty they know why Obama is in the system… not even Barack himself.

TOPIC: The two birth announcements in the newspapers
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Both of Honolulu’s manor newspapers, the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, published announcements in August 1961 documenting Obama’s birth in Hawaii
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Birth announcements were probably submitted by Obama’s grandparents who knew that he would have a better life as a U.S. citizen than as a citizen of another country
FACT: The Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin did publish announcements in August 1961 documenting Obama’s birth in Hawaii; however, these announcements were not submitted by the family, they were automatically issued whenever a certification of live birth was issued.  Once Obama’s name was in the system, the birth announcement was issued, usually the same day by the Health Department via a news service.  Additionally, the address for the birth announcement, which occurred three days later, was 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., an address that belonged to Obama grandparents.

TOPIC: A statement by the former Hawaii Health Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, confirms she has seen Obama’s birth certificate
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Dr. Chiyome Fukino is biased.  Also, she is a medical doctor and does not have any forensic or legal experience. She issued a legal and factual opinion based on a document that may or may not be accurate
FACT: The actual statement was, “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”   Dr. Fukino did not attest to seeing the actual Certificate of Live Birth, but rather Obama’s vital records.  According to Governor Abercrombie in January 2011, the definition of “vital records” was reduced to an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives and not any type of birth certificate at all.


TOPIC: Snopes, FactCheck and FightSmears
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: Fact checking websites like Snopes, FactCheck and FightSmears state Obama has proved his citizenship
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Snopes, FactCheck and FightSmears have a left wing bias
FACT: The only thing Snopes, FactCheck and FightSmears have proven is that Obama has produced a Certification of Live Birth, not the Certificate of Live Birth

TOPIC: Obama’s social security number, 042-68-4425
WHAT THE LEFT SAYS: The zip code for Obama’s address in Honolulu was 96814. Danbury, CT is 06814. Keypunch error is a much more plausible explanation.  Also, looking at the actual database entry for the 1890 date shows it associated with the building Obama lived in while at Harvard. It’s a building in Somerville built in 1890
WHAT THE RIGHT SAYS: Obama has never visited or been in Connecticut prior to campaigning for President, and as such it is impossible for him to have that social security number.  If Obama was Hawaiian born, his social security number should start with 575 or 576
FACT: Obama social security number is in deed 042-68-4425.  Other than the 1980 Selective Service registration, the first time Obama used the “042” number was in 1986 in Chicago.  Barack Obama had been using a Social Security number issued in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a state in which he never lived or even visited at that time in his life.  There is no record of Obama visiting the east coast until he was 20, in 1981

What can be derived from the facts?  Certainly one thing… nobody knows where Obama was actually born.  Anyone who says they know, whether they assert he was born in Kenya or whether they assert he was born in Hawaii, cannot with 100% certainty.  Obama himself only knows what he’s told.  What we do know with 100% certainty is that he is in Hawaii’s “system.”  That’s it.  End of story.

Is it plausible that Obama was born in a foreign country and his grandparents knew that he could attain a better life as an American citizen so they submitted an application on his behalf to the Secretary of Hawaii and swore a witness testimony that he was born in the Honolulu?  Absolutely.  Is it plausible that Obama was actually born in Honolulu and his stubbornness for not releasing his Certificate of Live Birth is for no good reason?  Absolutely.  The only thing that is certain is that until that Certificate of Live Birth is produced and inspected… anything is plausible.

So, thanks to the Associated Press, real estate tycoon Donald Trump, Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona, Governor Abercrombie of Hawaii, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, several state legislatures all across the country and Obama’s continued refusal to produce his Certificate of Live Birth the issue isn’t going away.  In fact, it is gaining legitimacy.  A book due out on May 17, 2011, titled Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President by Jerome R. Corsi promises blockbuster information based on “years of research and digging by the nation’s top private investigators” that will be devastating to those who believe Obama was born in Hawaii.

It’s the issue raised from the dead, and it might just give people something more to celebrate than colored eggs and chocolate bunnies in 2012.

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22 Responses to Birther Questions & Answers

  1. Chris on April 25, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    For fact checking what about factcheck.org? That is the one that is headed by the Annenberg Public Policy center which is referenced in many news papers and articles and has even been covered on Fox News.

    More importantly however I will say that I know why he hasn’t shown you his long form birth certificate. It’s because the longer he holds out and the longer you right wingers comment and attack him for it the crazier you sound and the more voters you continue to alienate. This country is now vastly made up of minorities now and they REALLY don’t like people accusing others they are not citizens or demanding proof of the long form birth certificates.

    So keep it up but prepare for another 4 years of Obama because minorities are the ones who will roll out in masses to vote against the GOP

    • Tim Ross on April 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm

      The article initially had had a typo… FactChecker has since been changed to FactCheck. The information is still the same.

      Not sure what Fox News has to do with this article. It wasn’t mentioned once.

      Glad to see some people on the left are now realizing that Obama “hasn’t shown you his long form birth certificate.” That was a long time coming.

      Not sure what race has to do with a person’s citizenship. You’re either born in the USA or you are not… regardless if you are born in Kenya or Ireland.

      There won’t be another 4 more years of Obama because even minorities don’t like inflation, debt and skyrocketing gas prices.

  2. Tim Ross on April 25, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    John McCain, by the way, was asked to produce his birth certificate by those “birthers” at the New York… Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html)…. which was produced (both long and short forms). http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-Birth-Certificate-long-and-short-form-Colon-Panama-1936 and his eligibility was disputed, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/world/americas/11iht-11mccain.14411311.html, and it was even challenged legally by Left wing Democrat “birthers” who (if this is all about race) hate their own race, http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2008cv03836/206145/39/

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  4. Cob on April 25, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    A BC is not required by the constitution.

    • Tim Ross on April 25, 2011 at 7:04 pm

      As per Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution it states, “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…” A birth certificate is one method of proof of citizenship.

  5. Dave Burris on April 25, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    My understanding is there are two kinds of US citizens: 1) natural born; 2) naturalized. I would like someone to point out where in the Constitution it defines “natural born.” I have always assumed that it meant “other than naturalized.” Are you all trying to create some third category? As I am sure you also know, we have had 6 Presidents who had one or both parents who were not US citizens. Thomas Jefferson’s mother was English, both Andrew Jackson’s parents were Irish, James Buchanan’s father was Irish, Chester Arthur’s father was Irish, Herbert Hoover’s mother was Canadian and Woodrow Wilson’s mother was Scottish. We have also had serious candidates of the Republican Party who were not born on US soil, George Romney in 1968 who was born in Mexico and John McCain in 2008 who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

    • Tim Ross on April 25, 2011 at 9:24 pm

      It’s not part of my debate, but sure is a debate that needs to be explored as well. Thanks for the detailed info!

      • Dave Burris on April 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm

        I thought since you stated in your posts as FACT: “A naturalized citizen, whether naturalized “at birth” or after birth, is not so eligible. In other words, anyone who is born in the United States, of parents who are U.S. citizens, is definitely, without doubt, a natural born citizen. Therefore, Obama would 100% be required to be born in the United States in order to be eligible for President.” that this was relevant to your debate. Sorry I misunderstood your words.

  6. Chris on April 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    • Tim Ross on April 25, 2011 at 9:22 pm

      It does not present any or new information that isn’t already addressed in my article. Uggg.

  7. Doctor Bulldog on April 25, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    6085 Kalanianaole Hwy never belonged to the Dunhams, nor the Obamas. Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, owned the property at that time.

    Cheers

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  9. Tim Ross on April 26, 2011 at 8:35 am

    38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.htm

  10. Suzzanne Monk on April 26, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Excellent and thorough. Question: Are you saying that Obama has had more than one SS#, and that BOTH of them are from Connecticut? I’m not clear on that part.

    • Tim Ross on April 26, 2011 at 12:02 pm

      One SS# from CT… issued between ’77-’79. Some are now suggesting that was his father’s SS#. But his dad left the U.S. in ’65. Then the new argument from the left is that, well, even if his dad formerly lived in CT, the child could be issued a social security number from CT. But, when Obama’s father lived on the east coast, he was attending Harvard and lived in Massachusetts. There is no record of him living in CT. The controversy marches on… I don’t know if that is Obama’s current SS# or if he has another now.

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